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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> wrote:
> Ed Leafe wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <stdake at cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens.
>>
>> Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings and discussions in an open manner as prescribed, an occasional conference to discuss a particular matter is not a "violation". What if someone in your office is working on OpenStack too, and you meet in the hallway and discuss something technical? Does that violate the 4 Opens?
>>
>> I think we have to balance realism with idealism.
>
> Like I said elsewhere, this is not about suppressing any type of visual
> or more direct interaction... It is about making sure you are not
> excluding anyone from a project.
>
> In the precise case we are discussing here, there are complaints from
> contributors to a project that recent Hangouts meetings used in the
> Kolla team results in them being excluded (either technically by not
> being able to join them, or creating additional difficulties for
> non-native language speakers to follow or participate in them).
>
> I'm all for giving teams a bit of flexibility in how they organize, but
> if the process chosen by some of the contributors is clearly excluding
> other contributors, falling back to a more inclusive medium (like IRC
> meetings) is the obvious solution. Jeffrey took the hard step of raising
> the issue, I don't think ignoring his point and pretending Hangout
> meetings are just fine will get you anywhere.
>
> --
> Thierry Carrez (ttx)
>
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I do not believe anyone is willing to exclude contributors at any
stage. If such (mis)understanding is there, it needs to be discussed
why it is there and how to remediate it since it's not good for the
community and is diverting the focus.
Let's have 5-10 mins in today's weekly meeting where we get the facts
together behind the issue and try to bring it to a conclusion.

OR have a detailed discussion on #openstack-kolla