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Names can make writing generic orchestration templates that would go in the applications catalog easier. Humans are much better at inputting a name rather then a uuid. You can even default a name in the text box and if they don't change any of the defaults, it will just work. You can't do that with a UUID since it is different on every cloud.

Thanks,
Kevin
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Magnum] Does Bay/Baymodel name should be a required option when creating a Bay/Baymodel

Thanks Adrian, imho making name as required can bring more convenient to end users because UUID is difficult to use. Without name, the end user need to retrieve the UUID of the bay/baymodel first before he did some operations for the bay/baymodel, its really time consuming. We can discuss more in this week's IRC meeting. Thanks.


2015-06-02 14:08 GMT+08:00 Adrian Otto <adrian.otto at rackspace.com<mailto:adrian.otto at rackspace.com>>:
-1. I disagree.

I am not convinced that requiring names is a good idea. I've asked several times why there is a desire to require names, and I'm not seeing any persuasive arguments that are not already addressed by UUIDs. We have UUID values to allow for acting upon an individual resource. Names are there as a convenience. Requiring names, especially unique names, would make Magnum harder to use for API users driving Magnum from other systems. I want to keep the friction as low as possible.

I'm fine with replacing "None" with an empty string.

Consistency with Nova would be a valid argument if we were being more restrictive, but that's not the case. We are more permissive. You can use Magnum in the same way you use Nova if you want, by adding names to all resources. I don't see the wisdom in forcing that style of use without a technical reason for it.

Thanks,

Adrian

On May 31, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Jay Lau <jay.lau.513 at gmail.com<mailto:jay.lau.513 at gmail.com>> wrote:


Just want to use ML to trigger more discussion here. There are now bugs/patches tracing this, but seems more discussions are needed before we come to a conclusion.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1453732
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181839/
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181837/
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181847/
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181843/

IMHO, making the Bay/Baymodel name as a MUST will bring more flexibility to end user as Magnum also support operating Bay/Baymodel via names and the name might be more meaningful to end users.

Perhaps we can borrow some iead from nova, the concept in magnum can be mapped to nova as following:

1) instance => bay
2) flavor => baymodel

So I think that a solution might be as following:
1) Make name as a MUST for both bay/baymodel
2) Update magnum client to use following style for bay-create and baymodel-create: DO NOT add "--name" option

root at devstack007:/tmp# nova boot
usage: nova boot [--flavor <flavor>] [--image <image>]
                 [--image-with <key=value>] [--boot-volume <volume_id>]
                 [--snapshot <snapshot_id>] [--min-count <number>]
                 [--max-count <number>] [--meta <key=value>]
                 [--file <dst-path=src-path>] [--key-name <key-name>]
                 [--user-data <user-data>]
                 [--availability-zone <availability-zone>]
                 [--security-groups <security-groups>]
                 [--block-device-mapping <dev-name=mapping>]
                 [--block-device key1=value1[,key2=value2...]]
                 [--swap <swap_size>]
                 [--ephemeral size=<size>[,format=<format>]]
                 [--hint <key=value>]
                 [--nic <net-id=net-uuid,v4-fixed-ip=ip-addr,v6-fixed-ip=ip-addr,port-id=port-uuid>]
                 [--config-drive <value>] [--poll]
                 <name>
error: too few arguments
Try 'nova help boot' for more information.
root at devstack007:/tmp# nova flavor-create
usage: nova flavor-create [--ephemeral <ephemeral>] [--swap <swap>]
                          [--rxtx-factor <factor>] [--is-public <is-public>]
                          <name> <id> <ram> <disk> <vcpus>

Please show your comments if any.

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