[openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

Flavio Percoco flavio at redhat.com
Mon Jan 12 08:16:33 UTC 2015

On 09/01/15 12:11 -0800, Joshua Harlow wrote:
>So the only comment I'll put in is one that I know not everyone agrees 
>with but might as well throw it out there.
>http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml (this page has a bunch of 
>useful advice IMHO).
>From that; something useful to look/think over at least...
>If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through. The 
>freenode network is an interactive environment. Even on public 
>channels, most users don't weigh their comments with the idea that 
>they'll be enshrined in perpetuity. For that reason, few participants 
>publish logs.
>If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic 
>should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make 
>comments without logging, and get permission from the channel owners 
>before you start. If you're thinking of "anonymizing" your logs 
>(removing information that identifies the specific users), be aware 
>that it's difficult to do it well—replies and general context often 
>provide identifying information which is hard to filter.
>If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get 
>permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. 
>Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission 
>in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save 
>will most likely be your own.

(Joshua, the below is not about what you posted, I really appreciate
you bringing the above into the discussion)

FWIW, I kind of feel that channel logging should become an OpenStack
thing and not a per-project thing. Log all openstack "official"
channels, make it clear in the
wiki/homepage/HoToContribute/WhateverYouWannaCallIt and move on.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, prevents the above from happening right
now. I've local (as in my ZNC server) logs of the last 1y 1/2 and I
could just make them public.

Really, IRC is basically(?) public by default and I - I know this is
probably personal opinion - don't think there's a difference between a
logged channel and a not logged one. If we wanted to make the channel
private, we should password protect it and invite few people, make
them sign a contract where they swear they won't publish logs and

Anyway, I think a good way to avoid these discussions for future
projects is to simply enable logging on all openstack- channels.


>Brian Rosmaita wrote:
>>The response on the review is overwhelmingly positive (or, strictly
>>speaking, unanimously non-negative).
>>If anyone has an objection, could you please register it before 12:00
>>UTC on Monday, January 12?
>>*From:* David Stanek [dstanek at dstanek.com]
>>*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM
>>*To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>>*Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
>>It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not
>>private and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway.
>>On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo <caedo at mirantis.com
>><mailto:caedo at mirantis.com>> wrote:
>>    On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco <flavio at redhat.com
>>    <mailto:flavio at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>    >  Fully agree... I don't see how enable logging should be a limitation
>>    >  for freedom of thought. We've used it in Zaqar since day 0 and it's
>>    >  bee of great help for all of us.
>>    >
>>    >  The logging does not remove the need of meetings where decisions and
>>    >  more relevant/important topics are discussed.
>>    Wanted to second this as well. I'm strongly in favor of logging -
>>    looking through backlogs of chats on other channels has been very
>>    helpful to me in the past, and it sure to help others in the future.
>>    I don't think there is danger of anyone pointing to a logged IRC
>>    conversation in this context as some statement of record.
>>    -Christopher
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