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Hi Oleg,

With the same degree of confidence we can say that anything we have in the
beginning of
the release cycle is not urgent enough. We pushed early branching
specifically for
such big changes as Docker removal/Changing repos structures and merging
invasive patches
for new release features.

Vladimir Kuklin,

I'm not sure what do you mean by "fixing 2 different environments"? With
environment without
containers it will simplify debugging process.

Thanks,

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Oleg Gelbukh <ogelbukh at mirantis.com>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Although I agree that it should be done, the removal of Docker doesn't
> seem an urgent feature to me. It is not blocking anything besides moving to
> full package-based deployment of Fuel, as far as I understand. So it could
> be easily delayed for one milestone, especially if it is already almost
> done and submitted for review, so it could be merged fast before any other
> significant changes land in 'master' after it is open.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Oleg Gelbukh
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Vladimir Kozhukalov <
> vkozhukalov at mirantis.com> wrote:
>
>> Vladimir,
>>
>> I have other activities planned for the time immediately after SCF
>> (separating UI from fuel-web, maybe it is even more invasive :-)) and it is
>> not a big deal to postpone this feature or another. I am against the
>> approach itself of postponing something because it is too invasive. If we
>> create stable branch master becomes open. That was our primary intention to
>> open master earlier than later when we decided to move stable branch
>> creation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vladimir Kozhukalov
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuklin at mirantis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Vladimir
>>>
>>> I am pretty much for removing docker, but I do not think that we should
>>> startle our developers/QA folks with additional efforts on fixing 2
>>> different environments. Let's just think from the point of development
>>> velocity here and at delay such changes for at least after NY. Because if
>>> we do it immediately after SCF there will be a whole bunch of holidays and
>>> Russian holidays are Jan 1st-10th and you (who is the SME for docker
>>> removal) will be offline. Do you really want to fix things instead of
>>> enjoying holidays?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 to Vladimir Kozhukalov,
>>>>
>>>> Entire point of moving branches creation to SCF was to perform such
>>>> changes as
>>>> early as possible in the release, I see no reasons to wait for HCF.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Vladimir Kozhukalov <
>>>> vkozhukalov at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -1
>>>>>
>>>>> We already discussed this and we have made a decision to move stable
>>>>> branch creation from HCF to SCF. There were reasons for this. We agreed
>>>>> that once stable branch is created, master becomes open for new features.
>>>>> Let's avoid discussing this again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vladimir Kozhukalov
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bulat Gaifullin <
>>>>> bgaifullin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Bulat Gaifullin
>>>>>> Mirantis Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 22:19, Andrew Maksimov <amaksimov at mirantis.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrey Maximov
>>>>>> Fuel Project Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <
>>>>>> vkuklin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This email is a proposal to push Docker containers removal from the
>>>>>>> master node to the date beyond 8.0 HCF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is why I propose to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Removal of Docker is a rather invasive change and may introduce a
>>>>>>> lot of regressions. It is well may affect how bugs are fixed - we might
>>>>>>> have 2 ways of fixing them, while during SCF of 8.0 this may affect
>>>>>>> velocity of bug fixing as you need to fix bugs in master prior to fixing
>>>>>>> them in stable branches. This actually may significantly increase our
>>>>>>> bugfixing pace and put 8.0 GA release on risk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Yours Faithfully,
>>>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
>>>>>>> Mirantis, Inc.
>>>>>>> +7 (495) 640-49-04
>>>>>>> +7 (926) 702-39-68
>>>>>>> Skype kuklinvv
>>>>>>> 35bk3, Vorontsovskaya Str.
>>>>>>> Moscow, Russia,
>>>>>>> www.mirantis.com <http://www.mirantis.ru/>
>>>>>>> www.mirantis.ru
>>>>>>> vkuklin at mirantis.com
>>>>>>>
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>>> Yours Faithfully,
>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
>>> Mirantis, Inc.
>>> +7 (495) 640-49-04
>>> +7 (926) 702-39-68
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