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+1 to Vova and Sasha,

I voted for 9.2 at the beginning of the thread due to potential packaging
and infrastructure issues, but since Artem and Sasha insist on 9.3, I see
no reasons to keep 9.2.

2015-12-15 22:19 GMT+03:00 Aleksandra Fedorova <afedorova at mirantis.com>:

> Igor,
>
> that's an anonymous vote for question stated in a wrong way. Sorry,
> but it doesn't really look like a valuable input for the discussion.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Igor Kalnitsky <ikalnitsky at mirantis.com>
> wrote:
> > FYI: so far (according to poll [1]) we have
> >
> > * 11 votes for keeping 9.2
> > * 4 votes for restoring 9.3
> >
> > [1]
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RNcEVFsg7GdHIXlJl-6LCELhlwQ_zmTbd40Bk_jH1m4/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuklin at mirantis.com>
> wrote:
> >> Folks
> >>
> >> Let me add my 2c here.
> >>
> >> I am for using Postgres 9.3. Here is an additional argument to the ones
> >> provided by Artem, Aleksandra and others.
> >>
> >> Fuel is being sometimes highly customized by our users for their
> specific
> >> needs. It has been Postgres 9.3 for a while and they might have as well
> >> gotten used to it and assumed by default that this would not change. So
> some
> >> of their respective features they are developing for their own sake may
> >> depend on Postgres 9.3 and we will never be able to tell the fraction of
> >> such use cases. Moreover, downgrading DBMS version of Fuel should be
> >> inevitably considered as a 'deprecation' of some features our software
> suite
> >> is providing to our users. This actually means that we MUST provide our
> >> users with a warning and deprecation period to allow them to adjust to
> these
> >> changes. Obviously, accidental change of Postgres version does not
> follow
> >> such a policy in any way. So I see no other ways except for getting
> back to
> >> Postgres 9.3.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Igor Kalnitsky <
> ikalnitsky at mirantis.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Mike,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your input.
> >>>
> >>> > actually not.  if you replace your ARRAY columns with JSON entirely,
> >>>
> >>> It still needs to fix the code, i.e. change ARRAY-specific queries
> >>> with JSON ones around the code. ;)
> >>>
> >>> > there's already a mostly finished PR for SQLAlchemy support in the
> >>> > queue.
> >>>
> >>> Does it mean SQLAlchemy will have one unified interface to make JSON
> >>> queries? So we can use different backends if necessary?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> - Igor
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Bayer <mbayer at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 12/15/2015 07:20 AM, Igor Kalnitsky wrote:
> >>> >> Hey Julien,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-ha-fuel-postgresql
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I believe this blueprint is about DB for OpenStack cloud (we use
> >>> >> Galera now), while here we're talking about DB backend for Fuel
> >>> >> itself. Fuel has a separate node (so called Fuel Master) and we use
> >>> >> PostgreSQL now.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> does that mean Fuel is only going to be able to run with
> PostgreSQL?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Unfortunately we already tied up to PostgreSQL. For instance, we use
> >>> >> PostgreSQL's ARRAY column type. Introducing JSON column is one more
> >>> >> way to tighten knots harder.
> >>> >
> >>> > actually not.  if you replace your ARRAY columns with JSON entirely,
> >>> > MySQL has JSON as well now:
> >>> > https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/json.html
> >>> >
> >>> > there's already a mostly finished PR for SQLAlchemy support in the
> >>> > queue.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Igor
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Julien Danjou <julien at danjou.info
> >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14 2015, Igor Kalnitsky wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> The things I want to notice are:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> * Currently we aren't tied up to PostgreSQL 9.3.
> >>> >>>> * There's a patch [2] that ties Fuel up to PostgreSQL 9.3+ by
> using a
> >>> >>>> set of JSON operations.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I'm curious and have just a small side question: does that mean
> Fuel
> >>> >>> is
> >>> >>> only going to be able to run with PostgreSQL?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I also see
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-ha-fuel-postgresql,
> >>> >>> maybe it's related?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Thanks!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> --
> >>> >>> Julien Danjou
> >>> >>> // Free Software hacker
> >>> >>> // https://julien.danjou.info
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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