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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Joe Gordon <joe.gordon0 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Anne Gentle <anne at openstack.org> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Joe Gordon <joe.gordon0 at gmail.com>
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>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> Jay Pipes wrote:
>>>> > On 10/29/2014 09:07 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
>>>> >> On 10/29/2014 06:46 PM, Rochelle Grober wrote:
>>>> >>> Any chance we could use the opening to move either the Refstack
>>>> >>> session or the logging session from their current joint (and
>>>> >>> conflicting) time (15:40)?  QA really would be appreciated at both.
>>>> >>> And I'd really like to be at both.  I'd say the Refstack one would
>>>> go
>>>> >>> better in the debug slot, as the API stuff is sort of related to the
>>>> >>> logging.  Switching with one of the 14:50 sessions might also work.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Just hoping.  I really want great participation at all of these
>>>> >>> sessions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The "gate debugging" session is most likely going to be dropped at
>>>> this
>>>> >> point.  I don't see a big problem with moving the refstack one to
>>>> that
>>>> >> slot (the first time).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone else have a strong opinion on this?
>>>> >
>>>> > Sounds good to me.
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>>>> Sounds good.
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>>> With the "gate debugging" session being  dropped due to being the wrong
>>> format to be productive, we now need a new session. After looking over the
>>> etherpad of proposed cross project sessions I think there is one glaring
>>> omission: the SDK. In the "Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise" thread [0] having a
>>> real SDK was one of the top answers. Many folks had great responses that
>>> clearly explained the issues end users are having [1].  As for who could
>>> lead a session like this I have two ideas: Monty Taylor, who had one of the
>>> most colorful explanations to why this is so critical, or Dean Troyer, one
>>> of the few people actually working on this right now. I think it would be
>>> embarrassing if we had no cross project session on SDKs, since there
>>> appears to be a consensus that the making life easier for the end user is a
>>> high priority.
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>> There are many discussion sessions related to SDKs, they just aren't all
>> in the cross-project slots. Plus these don't require an ATC badge
>> (something users may not have).
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> If we want to make sure the end user has a more uniform experience, having
> the individual python-*client discussions isn't sufficient.
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> Also, the issue is not lack of user feedback, the issue here is more of a
> lack of people implementing the feedback.
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Agreed, so a cross-project session may help with that. Still, non-ATCs may
want to pick up this work and just don't know how. I'd like to see ATC at
the Ecosystem sessions to help with that direction of contribution. I know
we need this session, just trying to find a place.


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>> Application Ecosystem Working Group
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>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Application_Ecosystem_Working_Group
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>> Monday 2:30 (Degas)
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>> Thursday 1:40 (Hyatt)
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> These sessions have pretty broad scopes, and I don't think a discussion on
> SDKs here is enough, since the issue isn't a lack of feedback.
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Okay, fair enough.


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>> I think we can talk about the real SDK at one of these.
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>> There's also:
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>> Getting Started with the OpenStack Python SDK
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>> Monday 4:20 (Room 242AB)
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> This isn't a a design summit session, so it doesn't really make sense to
> do future design work here.
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Agreed, was just making sure people on this list are aware.
Anne


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>> Anne
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>> The current catch is, the free slot is now at 15:40, so it would compete
>>> with 'How to Tackle Technical Debt in Kilo,' a session which I expect to be
>>> very popular with the same people who would be interested in attending a
>>> SDK session.
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>>> [0]
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044766.html
>>> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/6cWQG9oNsr
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>>>> --
>>>> Thierry Carrez (ttx)
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