[openstack-dev] [Murano][Heat] MuranoPL questions?

Ruslan Kamaldinov rkamaldinov at mirantis.com
Thu Mar 27 16:24:13 UTC 2014

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Georgy Okrokvertskhov
<gokrokvertskhov at mirantis.com> wrote:
> Given that I don't see the huge overlap here with Murano functionality as
> even if Solum stated that as a part of solution Heat template will be
> generated it does not necessarily mean that Solum itself will do this. From
> what is listed on the Solum page, in Solum sense - ALM is a  way how the
> application build from source promoted between different CI\CD environments
> Dev, QA, Stage, Production. Solum can use other service to do this keeping
> its own focus on the target area. Specifically to the environments - Solum
> can use Murano environments which for Murano is just a logical unity of
> multiple applications. Solum can add CI\CD specific stuff on top of it
> keeping using Murano API for the environment management under the hood.
> Again, this is a typical OpenStack approach to have different services
> integrated to achieve the larger goal, keeping services itself very focused.


I'd like to call for a cross-project work group to identify approaches for
application description and management in the OpenStack cloud. As this thread
shows there are several parties involved - Heat, Mistral, Murano, Solum (did I
miss anyone?), there is no clear vision among us where and how we should
describe things on top of Heat.

We could spend another couple of months in
debates, but I feel that focused group of dedicated people (i.e 2 from each
project) would progress much faster and will be much more productive.

What I'd suggest to expect from this joint group:
* Identify how different aspects of applications and their lifecycle can be
  described and how they can coexist in OpenStack
* Define a multi-layered structure to keep each layer with clear focus and set
  of responsibilities
* End goal of the work for this group will be a document with a clear vision of
  covering areas higher up to Heat stack and how OpenStack should address that.
  This vision is not clear now for TC and that is the reason they say that it is
  to big step which Murano did
* Agree on further direction
* Come to ATL summit, agree again and drink beer

Focused group would require additional communication channels:
* Calls (Google Hangouts for instance)
* Additional IRC meetings
* Group work on design documents

>From Murano project I'd like to propose the following participants:
* Stan Lagun (slagun at mirantis.com)
* Ruslan Kamaldinov (rkamaldinov at mirantis.com)

Do colleagues from Heat, Solum and Mistral feel the same way and would like to
support this movement and delegate their participants to this working group?
Is this idea viable?


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