[openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

Thierry Carrez thierry at openstack.org
Mon Mar 3 10:27:36 UTC 2014


Sean Dague wrote:
> On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote:
>> Something that came up recently in the Cinder project is that one of the
>> backend device vendors wasn't happy with a feature that somebody was
>> working on and contributed a patch for.  Instead of providing a
>> meaningful review and suggesting alternatives to the patch they set up
>> meetings with other vendors leaving the active members of the community
>> out and picked things apart in their own format out of the public view.
>>  Nobody from the core Cinder team was involved in these discussions or
>> meetings (at least that I've been made aware of).

It's not only sad, it's also extremely ineffective... So it's dumb.

>> I don't want to go into detail about who, what, where etc at this point.
>>  I instead, I want to point out that in my opinion this is no way to
>> operate in an Open Source community.  Collaboration is one thing, but
>> ambushing other peoples work is entirely unacceptable in my opinion.
>>  OpenStack provides a plethora of ways to participate and voice your
>> opinion, whether it be this mailing list, the IRC channels which are
>> monitored daily and also host a published weekly meeting for most
>> projects.  Of course when in doubt you're welcome to send me an email at
>> any time with questions or concerns that you have about a patch.  In any
>> case however the proper way to address concerns about a submitted patch
>> is to provide a review for that patch.
> 
> Honestly, while I realize you don't want to name names, I actually want
> to know about bad actors in our community. Because I think that if bad
> actors aren't exposed, then they tend to keep up the bad behavior.
> 
> Social pressure is important here.

One side of me would prefer if everyone was friends and we did never
blame anyone for defective behavior in our community. But, as I wrote
recently[1], it's only a matter of time until we face problems where the
only solution is to readjust the institutional and reputational
pressures. It's the price to pay so that cooperation stays the norm.

It will certainly hurt the first one we nail on the wall. So here is one
reputational pressure: you don't want to be that company.

[1] http://fnords.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/the-dilemma-of-open-innovation/

-- 
Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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