[openstack-dev] [nova][neutron] Networks without subnets

Isaku Yamahata isaku.yamahata at gmail.com
Mon Jul 14 08:14:26 UTC 2014


Hi.

> 4) with no-port-security option, we should implement ovs-plug instead
> ovs-hybird-plug, to totally bypass qbr but not just changing iptable rules.
> the performance of later is 50% lower for small size packet even if the
> iptable is empty, and 20% lower even if we disable iptable hook on linux
> bridge.

Is this only for performance reason?
What do you think about disabling and then enabling port-security?
portsecurity API allows to dynamically change the setting after port plugging.

thanks,


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:19:05AM +0800,
loy wolfe <loywolfe at gmail.com> wrote:

> port with flexible ip address setting is necessary. I collected several use
> cases:
> 
> 1) when creating a port, we need to indicate that,
>     [A] binding to none of subnet(no ip address);
>     [B] binding to all subnets;
>     [C] binding to any subnet;
>     [D] binding to explicitly list of subnets, and/or list of ip address in
> each subnet.
> It seems that existing code implement [C] as the default case.
> 
> 2) after created the port, we need to dynamically change it's address
> setting:
>     [A] remove a single ip address
>     [B] remove all ip address of a subnet
>     [C] add ip address on specified subnet
> it's not the same as "allowed-addr-pair", but it really need to allocate ip
> in the subnet.
> 
> 3) we need to allow router add interface by network uuid, not only subnet
> uuid
> today L3 router add interface by subnet, but it's not the common use case
> that a L2 segment connect to different router interface with it's different
> subnets. when a network has multiple subnets, we should allow the network
> but not the subnet to attach the router. Also, we should allow a network
> without any subnet (or a port without ip address) to attach to a router
> (some like a brouter), while adding/deleting interface address of different
> subnets dynamically later.
> 
> this  feature should also be helpful for plug-gable external network BP.
> 
> 4) with no-port-security option, we should implement ovs-plug instead
> ovs-hybird-plug, to totally bypass qbr but not just changing iptable rules.
> the performance of later is 50% lower for small size packet even if the
> iptable is empty, and 20% lower even if we disable iptable hook on linux
> bridge.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Kyle Mestery <mestery at noironetworks.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Brent Eagles <beagles at redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> A bug titled "Creating quantum L2 networks (without subnets) doesn't
> >> work as expected" (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1039665) was
> >> reported quite some time ago. Beyond the discussion in the bug report,
> >> there have been related bugs reported a few times.
> >>
> >> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1304409
> >> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1252410
> >> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1237711
> >> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1311731
> >> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1043827
> >>
> >> BZs on this subject seem to have a hard time surviving. The get marked
> >> as incomplete or invalid, or in the related issues, the problem NOT
> >> related to the feature is addressed and the bug closed. We seem to dance
> >> around actually getting around to implementing this. The multiple
> >> reports show there *is* interest in this functionality but at the moment
> >> we are without an actual implementation.
> >>
> >> At the moment there are multiple related blueprints:
> >>
> >> * https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99873/ ML2 OVS: portsecurity
> >>   extension support
> >> * https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106222/ Add Port Security
> >>   Implementation in ML2 Plugin
> >> * https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97715 NFV unaddressed interfaces
> >>
> >> The first two blueprints, besides appearing to be very similar, propose
> >> implementing the "port security" extension currently employed by one of
> >> the neutron plugins. It is related to this issue as it allows a port to
> >> be configured indicating it does not want security groups to apply. This
> >> is relevant because without an address, a security group cannot be
> >> applied and this is treated as an error. Being able to specify
> >> "skipping" the security group criteria gets us a port on the network
> >> without an address, which is what happens when there is no subnet.
> >>
> >> The third approach is, on the face of it, related in that it proposes an
> >> interface without an address. However, on review it seems that the
> >> intent is not necessarily inline with the some of the BZs mentioned
> >> above. Indeed there is text that seems to pretty clearly state that it
> >> is not intended to cover the port-without-an-IP situation. As an aside,
> >> the title in the commit message in the review could use revising.
> >>
> >> In order to implement something that finally implements the
> >> functionality alluded to in the above BZs in Juno, we need to settle on
> >> a blueprint and direction. Barring the happy possiblity of a resolution
> >> beforehand, can this be made an agenda item in the next Nova and/or
> >> Neutron meetings?
> >>
> >> I think this is worth discussing. I've added this to the "Team Discussion
> > Topics" section of the Neutron meeting [1] on 7-14-2014. I hope you can
> > attend Brent!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kyle
> >
> > [1]
> > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Team_Discussion_Topics
> >
> >
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Brent
> >>
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