Re: [OpenStack-I18n] [openstack-dev] [docs][i18n][ptg] Stein PTG Summary
Thanks a lot for nice summary on Docs part especially! I would like to add an additional summary with more context from I18n perspective. Note: I mainly participated in Docs/I18n discussion only on Monday & Tuesday (not available during Wed - Fri due to conflicts with other work in my country), and my summary would be different from current I18n PTL if he have parcipated in Stein PTG, but I would like to summarize as I18n ex-PTL (Ocata, Pike) and as one of active partcipants in Docs/I18n discussion. Documentation & I18n teams started to have collaborative discussions from Pike PTG. Following with Queens & Rocky cycle, I am so happy that Documentation & I18n teams had tight collaboration again at Stein PTG for horizontal discussion with sharing issues and tight collaboration. More details for I18n issues are available at the bottom part ("i18n Topics") in: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-stein PROJECT DOCUMENTATION TRANSLATION SUPPORT This year, I18n team actively started to support project documentation translation [1] and there had progress on defining documentation translation targets, generatepot infra jobs, and translation sync on from project repositories to Zanata for translation sources & from Zanata to project repositories for translated strings. [2] and [3] are parts of work I18n team did on previous cycle, and the final part would be how to support translated documentation publication aligned with Documentation team, since PDF support implementation is also related with how to publish PDF files for project repositories. Although there were so nice discussion during last Vancouver Summit [4], more generic idea on infra side how to better support translated documentation & PDF builds and translation would be needed after some changes on Project Testing Interface which is used for project documentation builds [5]. [6] is a nice summary from Doug (really appreciated!) for the direction and plans on PDF and translation builds by making use of openstack-tox-docs job [7], and I18n team would like to continue to work with Documentation and Infrastructure teams on actual implementation suring Stein cycle. USER SURVEY, TRANSLATING WHITEPAPERS, AND RECOGNITION ON TRANSLATORS With nice collaboration between Foundation and I18n team, I18n team started to translate OpenStack user survey [8] after initial discussion on Pike PTG and, edge computing whitepaper [9], and container whitepaer [10] into multiple languages with many language coordinators and translators. Those translation effort might be different from Active Technical Contributor (ATC) recognition which translators also got for OpenStack project translation and techical documentation translation [11]. Some translators shared that they would be interested in translating technical documents but not interested in OpenStack user survey and other non-technical documents. I thought that it might be due to different governance (Foundation-led & official projects with technical committee might be different), and Active User Contributor (AUC) [12] recognition might be a good idea. Although I could not discuss in details with User Committee members during PTG, Foundation agreed that AUC recognition for such translators would be a good idea and Melvin, one of user committee agreed with the idea during a very short conversation. In my opinion, it would take some time for more discussion and agreement on detail criteria (e.g., which number of words might be good aligning with current AUC recognition criteria), User Committee, and Foundation), but let's try to move forward on this :) Also, documentation on detail steps and activities with user survey on further years and more on whitepapers would be important, so I18n team will more document how I18n team members do action with steps like [13]. And some translators shared concerns what there is no I18n in OpenStack project navigator and map. It would be also related with recognition on what translators contributed. Foundation explained that it might be the intention of the purpose of each artifact (e.g., OpenStack were designed to show OpenStack components and how those components interact each other with technical perspective), and Foundation shared that Foundation would do best to aggregate scattered definitions (e.g., [14], [15], and somewhere more) for consistency, and find a nice place for Docs, i18n, Congress, etc... on the Software/Project Navigator. TRANSLATING CONTRIBUTOR GUIDE WITH FIRST CONTACT SIG The detail summary is in [16]. To summarize, - I shared I18n process to First Contact SIG members. Participants acknowledged that setting *translation period* would be needed but starting from initial translation process would be a good idea since it is not translated yet - Participants think that user groups would be interested in translating contributor guide. - Me will setup translation sync and publication on contributor guide and Kendall Nelson would kindly help explain the background of adding contributor guide for translator target. I18N-ING STORYBOARD [17] Although I18n team now uses Launchpad [18] for task management, I think there are mix on multiple language issues on "bugs" section, which prevents from maintance by language coordinators. After discussion on I18n mailing list [19], I thought that it would be very grat if Storyboard is internationalized so that I18n team can migrate from Launchpad to Storyboard and more global contributors access to Storyboard with their native language. One issue regarding I18n-ing Storyboard was that story description for most projects needs to be written in English, but I18n-ing Storyboard might mislead contributors to write description in non-English. Participants thought that adding a warning message on posting pages (e.g., posting a Story) would solve this issue. Participants shared current implementation technologies used in Storyboard and other dashboard projects such as Horizon and TripleO UI. Brainstorming and making use of I18n-ing libraries on Storyboard is an action item at current point. PROCESS ON OPENSTACK-HELM DOC FROM NON-ENGLISH TO ENGLISH* * I participated in a brief discussion with OpenStack-Helm team for documentation contribution from Korean to English. Current documentation and I18n process starts from English to multiple languages, but some active contributors in OpenStack-Helm team would like to contribute to Korean documentation first and translate from Korean into English. My suggestion is to keep current documentation and I18n process but add more additional steps before English rst-based documentation. For example, if OpenStack-Helm team cores agree to have *doc-ko_KR/source* folder, contributing Korean documentation is limited to the folder, Zanata helps to translate from Korean to English on the folder, translated po can make English rsts, and translated rst files are added to *doc/source* folder, there might be no affect on existing documentation & I18n process and Korean documentation contrubution and translation from Korean to English would be encouraged. OpenStack-Helm team agreed with this step, and I think this would be a good step for more Internationalization as a pilot project first but this can be extended to more projects in future. This is my summary on I18n issues discussed during Stein PTG. Thanks a lot for all members who involve and help Documentation and I18n. Although there were no discussion on setting translation plans and priorities, let's do that through [21] with Frank :) And finally, more pictures are available through [22] :) With many thanks, /Ian [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/project-doc-translatio... [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ [3] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/581000/ [4] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-docs-support-pdf-and-translation [5] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580495/ [6] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134609.htm... [7] https://docs.openstack.org/infra/openstack-zuul-jobs/jobs.html#job-openstack... [8] https://www.openstack.org/user-survey [9] https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-dat... [10] https://www.openstack.org/containers/leveraging-containers-and-openstack/ [11] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/official_translator.html#atc-status-i... [12] https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html#active-user-contr... [13] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/release_management.html [14] https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/www/project-... [15] https://github.com/ttx/openstack-map/blob/master/openstack_components.yaml [16] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_ptg_stein [17] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sb-stein-ptg-planning [18] https://launchpad.net/openstack-i18n [19] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-September/003307.ht... [20] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2018-September/046937.html [21] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-September/003314.ht... [22] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2pmvfkstudih2wf/AAAG2c6C_OXorMRFH66AvboYa/Docs%20... Petr Kovar wrote on 9/20/2018 8:37 AM:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a summary of docs- and i18n-related meetings and discussions we had in Denver last week during the Stein Project Teams Gathering.
The overall schedule for all our sessions with additional comments and meeting minutes can be found here:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-stein
Our obligatory team picture (with quite a few members missing) can be found here (courtesy of Foundation folks):
https://pmkovar.fedorapeople.org/DSC_4422.JPG
To summarize what I found most important:
OPS DOCS
We met with the Ops community to discuss the future of Ops docs. The plan is for the Ops group to take ownership of the operations-guide (done), ha-guide (in progress), and the arch-design guide (to do).
These three documents are being moved from openstack-manuals to their own repos, owned by the newly formed Operations Documentation SIG.
See also https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-ptg-denver-2018-operations-guide for more notes.
DOCS SITE & DESIGN
We discussed improving the site navigation, guide summaries (particularly install-guide), adding a new index page for project team contrib guides, and more. We met with the Foundation staff to discuss the possibility of getting assistance with site design work.
We are also looking into accepting contributions from the Strategic Focus Areas folks to make parts of the docs toolchain like openstackdocstheme more easily reusable outside of the official OpenStack infrastructure.
We got feedback on front page template for project team docs, with Ironic being the pilot for us.
We got input on restructuring and reworking specs site to make it easier for users to understand that specs are not feature descriptions nor project docs, and to make it more consistent in how the project teams publish their specs. This will need to be further discussed with the folks owning the specs site infra.
Support status badges showing at the top of docs.o.o pages may not work well for projects following the cycle-with-intermediary release model, such as Swift. We need to rethink how we configure and present the badges.
There are also some UX bugs present for the badges (https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-doc-tools/+bug/1788389).
TRANSLATIONS
We met with the infra team to discuss progress on translating project team docs and, related to that, PDF builds.
With the Foundation staff, we discussed translating Edge and Container whitepapers and related material.
REFERENCE, REST API DOCS AND RELEASE NOTES
With the QA team, we discussed the scope and purpose of the /doc/source/reference documentation area in project docs. Because the scope of /reference might be unclear and used inconsistently by project teams, the suggestion is to continue with the original migration plan and migrate REST API and possibly Release Notes under /doc/source, as described in https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/project-guides.html.
CONTRIBUTOR GUIDE
The OpenStack Contributor Guide was discussed in a separate session, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_ptg_stein for notes.
THAT'S IT?
Please add to the list if I missed anything important, particularly for i18n.
Thank you to everybody who attended the sessions, and a special thanks goes to all the PTG organizers!
Cheers, pk
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Hi Ian, You show us the Indonesian translations at the [1][2][3][4][5]. Thank you very much /Suhartono [1] https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2018/landing?lang=id_ID [2] https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-dat... [3] https://www.openstack.org/containers/leveraging-containers-and-openstack/ [4] https://docs.openstack.org/id/ [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/id/release_management.html Pada tanggal Kam, 20 Sep 2018 pukul 11.09 Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> menulis:
Thanks a lot for nice summary on Docs part especially! I would like to add an additional summary with more context from I18n perspective.
Note: I mainly participated in Docs/I18n discussion only on Monday & Tuesday (not available during Wed - Fri due to conflicts with other work in my country), and my summary would be different from current I18n PTL if he have parcipated in Stein PTG, but I would like to summarize as I18n ex-PTL (Ocata, Pike) and as one of active partcipants in Docs/I18n discussion.
Documentation & I18n teams started to have collaborative discussions from Pike PTG. Following with Queens & Rocky cycle, I am so happy that Documentation & I18n teams had tight collaboration again at Stein PTG for horizontal discussion with sharing issues and tight collaboration.
More details for I18n issues are available at the bottom part ("i18n Topics") in: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-stein
PROJECT DOCUMENTATION TRANSLATION SUPPORT
This year, I18n team actively started to support project documentation translation [1] and there had progress on defining documentation translation targets, generatepot infra jobs, and translation sync on from project repositories to Zanata for translation sources & from Zanata to project repositories for translated strings. [2] and [3] are parts of work I18n team did on previous cycle, and the final part would be how to support translated documentation publication aligned with Documentation team, since PDF support implementation is also related with how to publish PDF files for project repositories.
Although there were so nice discussion during last Vancouver Summit [4], more generic idea on infra side how to better support translated documentation & PDF builds and translation would be needed after some changes on Project Testing Interface which is used for project documentation builds [5].
[6] is a nice summary from Doug (really appreciated!) for the direction and plans on PDF and translation builds by making use of openstack-tox-docs job [7], and I18n team would like to continue to work with Documentation and Infrastructure teams on actual implementation suring Stein cycle.
USER SURVEY, TRANSLATING WHITEPAPERS, AND RECOGNITION ON TRANSLATORS
With nice collaboration between Foundation and I18n team, I18n team started to translate OpenStack user survey [8] after initial discussion on Pike PTG and, edge computing whitepaper [9], and container whitepaer [10] into multiple languages with many language coordinators and translators.
Those translation effort might be different from Active Technical Contributor (ATC) recognition which translators also got for OpenStack project translation and techical documentation translation [11]. Some translators shared that they would be interested in translating technical documents but not interested in OpenStack user survey and other non-technical documents.
I thought that it might be due to different governance (Foundation-led & official projects with technical committee might be different), and Active User Contributor (AUC) [12] recognition might be a good idea. Although I could not discuss in details with User Committee members during PTG, Foundation agreed that AUC recognition for such translators would be a good idea and Melvin, one of user committee agreed with the idea during a very short conversation. In my opinion, it would take some time for more discussion and agreement on detail criteria (e.g., which number of words might be good aligning with current AUC recognition criteria), User Committee, and Foundation), but let's try to move forward on this :)
Also, documentation on detail steps and activities with user survey on further years and more on whitepapers would be important, so I18n team will more document how I18n team members do action with steps like [13].
And some translators shared concerns what there is no I18n in OpenStack project navigator and map. It would be also related with recognition on what translators contributed. Foundation explained that it might be the intention of the purpose of each artifact (e.g., OpenStack were designed to show OpenStack components and how those components interact each other with technical perspective), and Foundation shared that Foundation would do best to aggregate scattered definitions (e.g., [14], [15], and somewhere more) for consistency, and find a nice place for Docs, i18n, Congress, etc... on the Software/Project Navigator.
TRANSLATING CONTRIBUTOR GUIDE WITH FIRST CONTACT SIG
The detail summary is in [16]. To summarize, - I shared I18n process to First Contact SIG members. Participants acknowledged that setting *translation period* would be needed but starting from initial translation process would be a good idea since it is not translated yet - Participants think that user groups would be interested in translating contributor guide. - Me will setup translation sync and publication on contributor guide and Kendall Nelson would kindly help explain the background of adding contributor guide for translator target.
I18N-ING STORYBOARD [17]
Although I18n team now uses Launchpad [18] for task management, I think there are mix on multiple language issues on "bugs" section, which prevents from maintance by language coordinators. After discussion on I18n mailing list [19], I thought that it would be very grat if Storyboard is internationalized so that I18n team can migrate from Launchpad to Storyboard and more global contributors access to Storyboard with their native language.
One issue regarding I18n-ing Storyboard was that story description for most projects needs to be written in English, but I18n-ing Storyboard might mislead contributors to write description in non-English. Participants thought that adding a warning message on posting pages (e.g., posting a Story) would solve this issue.
Participants shared current implementation technologies used in Storyboard and other dashboard projects such as Horizon and TripleO UI. Brainstorming and making use of I18n-ing libraries on Storyboard is an action item at current point.
PROCESS ON OPENSTACK-HELM DOC FROM NON-ENGLISH TO ENGLISH* * I participated in a brief discussion with OpenStack-Helm team for documentation contribution from Korean to English. Current documentation and I18n process starts from English to multiple languages, but some active contributors in OpenStack-Helm team would like to contribute to Korean documentation first and translate from Korean into English. My suggestion is to keep current documentation and I18n process but add more additional steps before English rst-based documentation. For example, if OpenStack-Helm team cores agree to have *doc-ko_KR/source* folder, contributing Korean documentation is limited to the folder, Zanata helps to translate from Korean to English on the folder, translated po can make English rsts, and translated rst files are added to *doc/source* folder, there might be no affect on existing documentation & I18n process and Korean documentation contrubution and translation from Korean to English would be encouraged.
OpenStack-Helm team agreed with this step, and I think this would be a good step for more Internationalization as a pilot project first but this can be extended to more projects in future.
This is my summary on I18n issues discussed during Stein PTG. Thanks a lot for all members who involve and help Documentation and I18n. Although there were no discussion on setting translation plans and priorities, let's do that through [21] with Frank :)
And finally, more pictures are available through [22] :)
With many thanks,
/Ian
[1]
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/project-doc-translatio... [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ [3] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/581000/ [4] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-docs-support-pdf-and-translation [5] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580495/ [6]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134609.htm... [7]
https://docs.openstack.org/infra/openstack-zuul-jobs/jobs.html#job-openstack... [8] https://www.openstack.org/user-survey [9]
https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-dat... [10] https://www.openstack.org/containers/leveraging-containers-and-openstack/ [11]
https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/official_translator.html#atc-status-i... [12]
https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html#active-user-contr... [13] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/release_management.html [14]
https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/www/project-... [15] https://github.com/ttx/openstack-map/blob/master/openstack_components.yaml [16] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_ptg_stein [17] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sb-stein-ptg-planning [18] https://launchpad.net/openstack-i18n [19]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-September/003307.ht... [20] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2018-September/046937.html [21]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-September/003314.ht... [22]
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2pmvfkstudih2wf/AAAG2c6C_OXorMRFH66AvboYa/Docs%20...
Petr Kovar wrote on 9/20/2018 8:37 AM:
Hi all,
Just wanted to share a summary of docs- and i18n-related meetings and discussions we had in Denver last week during the Stein Project Teams Gathering.
The overall schedule for all our sessions with additional comments and meeting minutes can be found here:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-stein
Our obligatory team picture (with quite a few members missing) can be found here (courtesy of Foundation folks):
https://pmkovar.fedorapeople.org/DSC_4422.JPG
To summarize what I found most important:
OPS DOCS
We met with the Ops community to discuss the future of Ops docs. The plan is for the Ops group to take ownership of the operations-guide (done), ha-guide (in progress), and the arch-design guide (to do).
These three documents are being moved from openstack-manuals to their own repos, owned by the newly formed Operations Documentation SIG.
See also
for more notes.
DOCS SITE & DESIGN
We discussed improving the site navigation, guide summaries (particularly install-guide), adding a new index page for project team contrib guides, and more. We met with the Foundation staff to discuss the possibility of getting assistance with site design work.
We are also looking into accepting contributions from the Strategic Focus Areas folks to make parts of the docs toolchain like openstackdocstheme more easily reusable outside of the official OpenStack infrastructure.
We got feedback on front page template for project team docs, with Ironic being the pilot for us.
We got input on restructuring and reworking specs site to make it easier for users to understand that specs are not feature descriptions nor
docs, and to make it more consistent in how the project teams publish
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-ptg-denver-2018-operations-guide project their
specs. This will need to be further discussed with the folks owning the specs site infra.
Support status badges showing at the top of docs.o.o pages may not work well for projects following the cycle-with-intermediary release model, such as Swift. We need to rethink how we configure and present the badges.
There are also some UX bugs present for the badges (https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-doc-tools/+bug/1788389).
TRANSLATIONS
We met with the infra team to discuss progress on translating project team docs and, related to that, PDF builds.
With the Foundation staff, we discussed translating Edge and Container whitepapers and related material.
REFERENCE, REST API DOCS AND RELEASE NOTES
With the QA team, we discussed the scope and purpose of the /doc/source/reference documentation area in project docs. Because the scope of /reference might be unclear and used inconsistently by project teams, the suggestion is to continue with the original migration plan and migrate REST API and possibly Release Notes under /doc/source, as described in https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/project-guides.html.
CONTRIBUTOR GUIDE
The OpenStack Contributor Guide was discussed in a separate session, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_ptg_stein for notes.
THAT'S IT?
Please add to the list if I missed anything important, particularly for i18n.
Thank you to everybody who attended the sessions, and a special thanks goes to all the PTG organizers!
Cheers, pk
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Wow thanks a lot for your additional summary on Indonesian translation! With many thanks, /Ian Cloud Suhartono wrote on 9/20/2018 10:48 PM:
Hi Ian, You show us the Indonesian translations at the [1][2][3][4][5]. Thank you very much /Suhartono
[1] https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2018/landing?lang=id_ID [2] https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-dat... [3] https://www.openstack.org/containers/leveraging-containers-and-openstack/ [4] https://docs.openstack.org/id/ [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/id/release_management.html
Pada tanggal Kam, 20 Sep 2018 pukul 11.09 Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi@gmail.com <mailto:ianyrchoi@gmail.com>> menulis:
Thanks a lot for nice summary on Docs part especially! I would like to add an additional summary with more context from I18n perspective.
Note: I mainly participated in Docs/I18n discussion only on Monday & Tuesday (not available during Wed - Fri due to conflicts with other work in my country), and my summary would be different from current I18n PTL if he have parcipated in Stein PTG, but I would like to summarize as I18n ex-PTL (Ocata, Pike) and as one of active partcipants in Docs/I18n discussion.
Documentation & I18n teams started to have collaborative discussions from Pike PTG. Following with Queens & Rocky cycle, I am so happy that Documentation & I18n teams had tight collaboration again at Stein PTG for horizontal discussion with sharing issues and tight collaboration.
More details for I18n issues are available at the bottom part ("i18n Topics") in: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-stein
PROJECT DOCUMENTATION TRANSLATION SUPPORT
This year, I18n team actively started to support project documentation translation [1] and there had progress on defining documentation translation targets, generatepot infra jobs, and translation sync on from project repositories to Zanata for translation sources & from Zanata to project repositories for translated strings. [2] and [3] are parts of work I18n team did on previous cycle, and the final part would be how to support translated documentation publication aligned with Documentation team, since PDF support implementation is also related with how to publish PDF files for project repositories.
Although there were so nice discussion during last Vancouver Summit [4], more generic idea on infra side how to better support translated documentation & PDF builds and translation would be needed after some changes on Project Testing Interface which is used for project documentation builds [5].
[6] is a nice summary from Doug (really appreciated!) for the direction and plans on PDF and translation builds by making use of openstack-tox-docs job [7], and I18n team would like to continue to work with Documentation and Infrastructure teams on actual implementation suring Stein cycle.
USER SURVEY, TRANSLATING WHITEPAPERS, AND RECOGNITION ON TRANSLATORS
With nice collaboration between Foundation and I18n team, I18n team started to translate OpenStack user survey [8] after initial discussion on Pike PTG and, edge computing whitepaper [9], and container whitepaer [10] into multiple languages with many language coordinators and translators.
Those translation effort might be different from Active Technical Contributor (ATC) recognition which translators also got for OpenStack project translation and techical documentation translation [11]. Some translators shared that they would be interested in translating technical documents but not interested in OpenStack user survey and other non-technical documents.
I thought that it might be due to different governance (Foundation-led & official projects with technical committee might be different), and Active User Contributor (AUC) [12] recognition might be a good idea. Although I could not discuss in details with User Committee members during PTG, Foundation agreed that AUC recognition for such translators would be a good idea and Melvin, one of user committee agreed with the idea during a very short conversation. In my opinion, it would take some time for more discussion and agreement on detail criteria (e.g., which number of words might be good aligning with current AUC recognition criteria), User Committee, and Foundation), but let's try to move forward on this :)
Also, documentation on detail steps and activities with user survey on further years and more on whitepapers would be important, so I18n team will more document how I18n team members do action with steps like [13].
And some translators shared concerns what there is no I18n in OpenStack project navigator and map. It would be also related with recognition on what translators contributed. Foundation explained that it might be the intention of the purpose of each artifact (e.g., OpenStack were designed to show OpenStack components and how those components interact each other with technical perspective), and Foundation shared that Foundation would do best to aggregate scattered definitions (e.g., [14], [15], and somewhere more) for consistency, and find a nice place for Docs, i18n, Congress, etc... on the Software/Project Navigator.
TRANSLATING CONTRIBUTOR GUIDE WITH FIRST CONTACT SIG
The detail summary is in [16]. To summarize, - I shared I18n process to First Contact SIG members. Participants acknowledged that setting *translation period* would be needed but starting from initial translation process would be a good idea since it is not translated yet - Participants think that user groups would be interested in translating contributor guide. - Me will setup translation sync and publication on contributor guide and Kendall Nelson would kindly help explain the background of adding contributor guide for translator target.
I18N-ING STORYBOARD [17]
Although I18n team now uses Launchpad [18] for task management, I think there are mix on multiple language issues on "bugs" section, which prevents from maintance by language coordinators. After discussion on I18n mailing list [19], I thought that it would be very grat if Storyboard is internationalized so that I18n team can migrate from Launchpad to Storyboard and more global contributors access to Storyboard with their native language.
One issue regarding I18n-ing Storyboard was that story description for most projects needs to be written in English, but I18n-ing Storyboard might mislead contributors to write description in non-English. Participants thought that adding a warning message on posting pages (e.g., posting a Story) would solve this issue.
Participants shared current implementation technologies used in Storyboard and other dashboard projects such as Horizon and TripleO UI. Brainstorming and making use of I18n-ing libraries on Storyboard is an action item at current point.
PROCESS ON OPENSTACK-HELM DOC FROM NON-ENGLISH TO ENGLISH* * I participated in a brief discussion with OpenStack-Helm team for documentation contribution from Korean to English. Current documentation and I18n process starts from English to multiple languages, but some active contributors in OpenStack-Helm team would like to contribute to Korean documentation first and translate from Korean into English. My suggestion is to keep current documentation and I18n process but add more additional steps before English rst-based documentation. For example, if OpenStack-Helm team cores agree to have *doc-ko_KR/source* folder, contributing Korean documentation is limited to the folder, Zanata helps to translate from Korean to English on the folder, translated po can make English rsts, and translated rst files are added to *doc/source* folder, there might be no affect on existing documentation & I18n process and Korean documentation contrubution and translation from Korean to English would be encouraged.
OpenStack-Helm team agreed with this step, and I think this would be a good step for more Internationalization as a pilot project first but this can be extended to more projects in future.
This is my summary on I18n issues discussed during Stein PTG. Thanks a lot for all members who involve and help Documentation and I18n. Although there were no discussion on setting translation plans and priorities, let's do that through [21] with Frank :)
And finally, more pictures are available through [22] :)
With many thanks,
/Ian
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Petr Kovar wrote on 9/20/2018 8:37 AM: > Hi all, > > Just wanted to share a summary of docs- and i18n-related meetings > and discussions we had in Denver last week during the Stein Project > Teams Gathering. > > The overall schedule for all our sessions with additional comments and > meeting minutes can be found here: > > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-stein > > Our obligatory team picture (with quite a few members missing) can be > found here (courtesy of Foundation folks): > > https://pmkovar.fedorapeople.org/DSC_4422.JPG > > To summarize what I found most important: > > OPS DOCS > > We met with the Ops community to discuss the future of Ops docs. The plan > is for the Ops group to take ownership of the operations-guide (done), > ha-guide (in progress), and the arch-design guide (to do). > > These three documents are being moved from openstack-manuals to their own > repos, owned by the newly formed Operations Documentation SIG. > > See also > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-ptg-denver-2018-operations-guide > for more notes. > > DOCS SITE & DESIGN > > We discussed improving the site navigation, guide summaries (particularly > install-guide), adding a new index page for project team contrib guides, and > more. We met with the Foundation staff to discuss the possibility of getting > assistance with site design work. > > We are also looking into accepting contributions from the Strategic Focus > Areas folks to make parts of the docs toolchain like openstackdocstheme more > easily reusable outside of the official OpenStack infrastructure. > > We got feedback on front page template for project team docs, with Ironic > being the pilot for us. > > We got input on restructuring and reworking specs site to make it easier > for users to understand that specs are not feature descriptions nor project > docs, and to make it more consistent in how the project teams publish their > specs. This will need to be further discussed with the folks owning the > specs site infra. > > Support status badges showing at the top of docs.o.o pages may not work well > for projects following the cycle-with-intermediary release model, such as > Swift. We need to rethink how we configure and present the badges. > > There are also some UX bugs present for the badges > (https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-doc-tools/+bug/1788389). > > TRANSLATIONS > > We met with the infra team to discuss progress on translating project team > docs and, related to that, PDF builds. > > With the Foundation staff, we discussed translating Edge and Container > whitepapers and related material. > > REFERENCE, REST API DOCS AND RELEASE NOTES > > With the QA team, we discussed the scope and purpose of the > /doc/source/reference documentation area in project docs. Because the > scope of /reference might be unclear and used inconsistently by project > teams, the suggestion is to continue with the original migration plan and > migrate REST API and possibly Release Notes under /doc/source, as described > in https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/project-guides.html. > > CONTRIBUTOR GUIDE > > The OpenStack Contributor Guide was discussed in a separate session, see > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_ptg_stein for notes. > > THAT'S IT? > > Please add to the list if I missed anything important, particularly for > i18n. > > Thank you to everybody who attended the sessions, and a special thanks goes > to all the PTG organizers! > > Cheers, > pk > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe <http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
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Cloud Suhartono
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Ian Y. Choi