Horizon translation check site for Kilo
Hi, Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site. In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work. The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community. I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it. I hope we have a progress on it. Thanks, Akihiro
On 03/04/2015 04:30 PM, Akihiro Motoki wrote:
Hi,
Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site.
In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work.
The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community.
I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it.
I hope we have a progress on it.
I raised the issue on the infra meeting yesterday - see topic Infra-cloud: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-03-03-19.01.ht... I suggest you continue discussion with the infra folks involved with the infra-cloud as well, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Jennifer Guild, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Thanks Andreas. It sounds useful and interesting topic. Regarding infra-cloud, I think it is enough that some limited set of folks from i18n and docs team. Not all translators and doc writes need to access such infra. Of course we can continue to discuss with the infra team. Perhaps we need to break down plans and action items so that anyone interested in the work can join. The important thing is that we cannot assume the situation changes release by release as personnel, so we need more steady way *as a team*. I sent the previous mail to mention that I cannot have enough time for I18N work in Kilo and collect more involevement from other folks :-) I know not a small portion of folks involved work on translations as your private time effort (including me). Thus we need to work as a team. Akihiro 2015-03-05 0:38 GMT+09:00 Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com>:
On 03/04/2015 04:30 PM, Akihiro Motoki wrote:
Hi,
Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site.
In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work.
The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community.
I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it.
I hope we have a progress on it.
I raised the issue on the infra meeting yesterday - see topic Infra-cloud:
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-03-03-19.01.ht...
I suggest you continue discussion with the infra folks involved with the infra-cloud as well,
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Jennifer Guild, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-- Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com>
From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> To: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" <Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 03/04/2015 09:58 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Horizon translation check site for Kilo
Thanks Andreas. It sounds useful and interesting topic. Regarding infra-cloud, I think it is enough that some limited set offolks from i18n and docs team. Not all translators and doc writes need to access such infra. Of course we can continue to discuss with the infra team.
Perhaps we need to break down plans and action items so that anyone interested in the work can join. The important thing is that we cannot assume the situation changes release by release as personnel, so we need more steady way *as a team*.
I sent the previous mail to mention that I cannot have enough time for I18N work in Kilo and collect more involevement from other folks :-) I know not a small portion of folks involved work on translations as your private time effort (including me). Thus we need to work as a team.
Akihiro
2015-03-05 0:38 GMT+09:00 Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com>:
On 03/04/2015 04:30 PM, Akihiro Motoki wrote:
Hi,
Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site.
In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work.
The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community.
I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it.
I hope we have a progress on it.
I raised the issue on the infra meeting yesterday - see topic Infra-cloud:
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra. 2015-03-03-19.01.html
I suggest you continue discussion with the infra folks involved with
I've been thinking about Akihiro's request and it seems to me one of the key challenges is finding the infrastructure to support this testing. Maybe we should avoid the need for infrastructure entirely. I wonder if it would be more straightforward to enable the translators to update a local, devstack based version of Horizon by running a script to copy in-progress translations to their local Horizon. Akihiro has shared some of the tooling he has used to manage this. I'm thinking of turning this into a script that could be used after setting up Horizon to automatically download, compile, and configure an updated translation. Would this be a useful approach for the translation community? Doug Fish Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 03/04/2015 09:57:29 AM: the
infra-cloud as well,
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Jennifer Guild, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-- Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com>
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I think it could be an alternative solution. Of course, we will continue to work for a test environment in openstack infra but it might take time. @Akihiro, what's your opinion ? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Douglas Fish <drfish@us.ibm.com> wrote on 2015/03/19 07:22:23:
From: Douglas Fish <drfish@us.ibm.com> To: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> Cc: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" <Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 2015/03/19 07:26 Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Horizon translation check site for Kilo
I've been thinking about Akihiro's request and it seems to me one of the key challenges is finding the infrastructure to support this testing. Maybe we should avoid the need for infrastructure entirely.
I wonder if it would be more straightforward to enable the translators to update a local, devstack based version of Horizon by running a script to copy in-progress translations to their local Horizon. Akihiro has shared some of the tooling he has used to manage this. I'm thinking of turning this into a script that could be used after setting up Horizon to automatically download, compile, and configure an updated translation.
Would this be a useful approach for the translation community?
Doug Fish
Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 03/04/2015 09:57:29 AM:
From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> To: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" <Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 03/04/2015 09:58 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Horizon translation check site for Kilo
Thanks Andreas. It sounds useful and interesting topic. Regarding infra-cloud, I think it is enough that some limited set offolks from i18n and docs team. Not all translators and doc writes need to access such infra. Of course we can continue to discuss with the infra team.
Perhaps we need to break down plans and action items so that anyone interested in the work can join. The important thing is that we cannot assume the situation changes release by release as personnel, so we need more steady way *as a team*.
I sent the previous mail to mention that I cannot have enough time for I18N work in Kilo and collect more involevement from other folks :-) I know not a small portion of folks involved work on translations as your private time effort (including me). Thus we need to work as a team.
Akihiro
On 03/04/2015 04:30 PM, Akihiro Motoki wrote:
Hi,
Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site.
In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work.
The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community.
I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it.
I hope we have a progress on it.
I raised the issue on the infra meeting yesterday - see topic Infra-cloud:
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra. 2015-03-03-19.01.html
I suggest you continue discussion with the infra folks involved with
2015-03-05 0:38 GMT+09:00 Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com>: the
infra-cloud as well,
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Jennifer Guild, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-- Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com>
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On 03/19/2015 12:22 AM, Douglas Fish wrote:
I've been thinking about Akihiro's request and it seems to me one of the key challenges is finding the infrastructure to support this testing. Maybe we should avoid the need for infrastructure entirely.
Finding infrastructure is not a challenge. The infra team runs virtualized server and another one can easily be added. The challenge is setting up the infra structure, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Jennifer Guild, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On 2015-03-19 08:45:44 +0100 (+0100), Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Finding infrastructure is not a challenge. The infra team runs virtualized server and another one can easily be added.
The challenge is setting up the infra structure,
Correct. More specifically the challenge is finding people who have available time and expertise (or more available time to gain the expertise) to plan the service so that it's easily maintainable, communicate the design clearly to the rest of the team, guide it to deployment and then care for it once it's running in production. The infrastructure team is there to help, but they don't necessarily have the free time to do it all for you. -- Jeremy Stanley
Thanks for the feedback on this. I think I understand the picture better now: we really do have the infrastructure available, but somebody needs to step up and make it happen. I'm interested in this and have at least part of the necessary skills. My time is not well spent putting together the script I was thinking of (unless that becomes part of the process of setting up the service). Is stopping in for a chat in #openstack-infra the best way for me to figure out what I might be signing up for? Doug Fish From: Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> To: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 03/19/2015 09:45 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Horizon translation check site for Kilo On 2015-03-19 08:45:44 +0100 (+0100), Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Finding infrastructure is not a challenge. The infra team runs virtualized server and another one can easily be added.
The challenge is setting up the infra structure,
Correct. More specifically the challenge is finding people who have available time and expertise (or more available time to gain the expertise) to plan the service so that it's easily maintainable, communicate the design clearly to the rest of the team, guide it to deployment and then care for it once it's running in production. The infrastructure team is there to help, but they don't necessarily have the free time to do it all for you. -- Jeremy Stanley _______________________________________________ Openstack-i18n mailing list Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n
On 2015-03-19 13:49:47 -0500 (-0500), Douglas Fish wrote:
Thanks for the feedback on this. I think I understand the picture better now: we really do have the infrastructure available, but somebody needs to step up and make it happen. I'm interested in this and have at least part of the necessary skills.
Awesome! We love getting new infra contributors, because it also means we might eventually get our hooks into you and convince you to help us with other stuff too... ;)
My time is not well spent putting together the script I was thinking of (unless that becomes part of the process of setting up the service). Is stopping in for a chat in #openstack-infra the best way for me to figure out what I might be signing up for?
Absolutely, though today might not be the best day for useful discussion as we're sort of firefighting an unfortunate confluence of feature freeze rush and software bugs and problems with our cloud service providers. -- Jeremy Stanley
On 03/04/2015 04:38 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] I raised the issue on the infra meeting yesterday - see topic Infra-cloud:
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-03-03-19.01.ht...
I suggest you continue discussion with the infra folks involved with the infra-cloud as well,
I just discussed some more with the infra team. The infra cloud is not yet ready and it will take a bit until it is - and this might not be in scope for it at all. BUT: Infra runs already about 100 servers and adding another one is an option. This might be a continously deployed devstack. If this is done in the infra program, the scripts and configuration could be written by anybody and maintained and enhanced. So, if there's anybody interested to setup such a server, please talk with the infra team. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Jennifer Guild, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Akihiro, It's more complicated than simply providing a VM. If we use openstack infra, we have to think about more questions, like: how to manage translators access? how to maintain devstack? It may involve several people but need one people to work as a pusher. I would ask for any volunteers who would like to work on this. I personally would join the discussion but I cannot dedicate. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/03/04 23:30:02:
From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> To: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" <Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 2015/03/04 23:31 Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Horizon translation check site for Kilo
Hi,
Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site.
In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work.
The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community.
I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it.
I hope we have a progress on it.
Thanks, Akihiro
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Thanks for addressing this issue. Such a platform would be so useful for the translators... BR, JF Taltavull On 04/03/2015 17:01, Ying Chun Guo wrote:
Akihiro,
It's more complicated than simply providing a VM. If we use openstack infra, we have to think about more questions, like: how to manage translators access? how to maintain devstack? It may involve several people but need one people to work as a pusher.
I would ask for any volunteers who would like to work on this. I personally would join the discussion but I cannot dedicate.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/03/04 23:30:02:
From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> To: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" <Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 2015/03/04 23:31 Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Horizon translation check site for Kilo
Hi,
Kilo-3 is approaching and it is the time to start translations for Kilo. I would like to know the status of the community effort on preparing the Horizon translation check site.
In the past releases, I18N team has the horizon translation check site but it was completely provided by my resource and time. For Kilo cycle, I am sure I can provide such site at all because I am spending very busy days on my main work.
The same situation continues for three release cycles and I think it is time we should have such site as the team. We should not depend on someone's personal effort as OpenStack community.
I may be able to provide the site for Kilo release if I have time but not sure. I would like to raise this topic. If nobody other than me raises a hand, it is no longer a team and it means we fail as a community. I can help the work but don't have enough time to lead it.
I hope we have a progress on it.
Thanks, Akihiro
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participants (6)
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Akihiro Motoki
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Andreas Jaeger
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Douglas Fish
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Jeremy Stanley
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JF Taltavull
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Ying Chun Guo