Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi Doug, I see one advantage in that approach, the list is already there. I see more disadvantages: - we'd need to make sure that all translators are subscribed. I don't think it's the case - for a regular translator many stuff discussed here may not be relevant or interesting - they will all have to setup proper email filtering and it needs discipline for the poster to stick to that. You'd probably need two tags, one for the project and one for the language - we can't use the local language to discuss language specific stuff but need to stick to English And there may be a few more. These however were my thoughts why I (still) think it should rather be a Zanata feature as there we have user/team information and could easily target messages to relevant people. -- Thanks, Robert On Thu Sep 17 2015 14:58:39 GMT+0200 (CEST) drfish@us.ibm.com wrote:
Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] or [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to interested parties.
The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to others who might take interest periodically.
Doug
Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 03:32:30 AM:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>, openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 09/17/2015 03:33 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi Daisy,
On Thu Sep 17 2015 09:04:33 GMT+0200 (CEST) guoyingc@cn.ibm.com wrote:
Hi, Rob
I didn't find the method to message team either. I just find an instance messaging method to communicate with people who are translating the same document.
Yes, but that clearly has another purpose.
I think you might use email to talk with your team members. I know it's not good.
Frankly, it's less than not good as it means I (and whoever wants to do this) need to setup and maintain my own email distribution list all manually.
We could discuss how to add more communication ways. Either ask Zanata to provide a feature, or we use a communicate method on top of openstack infra.
Well, I don't mind how it's done but would greatly appreciate if there's some easy way to send notifications to the specific language team. It probably should be a Zanata feature.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
Thanks, Robert
Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 2015/09/16 23:38:10:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 2015/09/16 23:38 Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi,
probably I simply don't see it but how would I - as coordinator or regular team member - send a message to the translation team for my language? The only message I can create is "contact coordinators", myself so to say.
Do I overlook this feature or is it just missing? If the latter, I'd clearly like to have it as I'm not sure if we can expect to have all translators on the openstack-i18n mailing list. In Transifex we
had the
"discussions" forum to reach out to all team members, that was very helpful.
-- Thanks, Robert
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It has been discussed before, using i18n mailing list with a prefix in the email title as language teams communication method. I think it turned out that translation teams don't like it. I agree it's better to have a feature inside Zanata Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 09/18/2015 03:14:56 PM:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: Douglas Fish <drfish@us.ibm.com> Cc: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 09/18/2015 03:15 PM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi Doug,
I see one advantage in that approach, the list is already there. I see more disadvantages:
- we'd need to make sure that all translators are subscribed. I don't think it's the case
- for a regular translator many stuff discussed here may not be relevant
or interesting
- they will all have to setup proper email filtering and it needs discipline for the poster to stick to that. You'd probably need two tags, one for the project and one for the language
- we can't use the local language to discuss language specific stuff but
need to stick to English
And there may be a few more. These however were my thoughts why I (still) think it should rather be a Zanata feature as there we have user/team information and could easily target messages to relevant people.
-- Thanks, Robert
On Thu Sep 17 2015 14:58:39 GMT+0200 (CEST) drfish@us.ibm.com wrote:
Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] or [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to interested parties.
The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to others who might take interest periodically.
Doug
Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 03:32:30 AM:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>, openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 09/17/2015 03:33 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi Daisy,
On Thu Sep 17 2015 09:04:33 GMT+0200 (CEST) guoyingc@cn.ibm.com wrote:
Hi, Rob
I didn't find the method to message team either. I just find an instance messaging method to communicate with people who are translating the same document.
Yes, but that clearly has another purpose.
I think you might use email to talk with your team members. I know it's not good.
Frankly, it's less than not good as it means I (and whoever wants to do this) need to setup and maintain my own email distribution list all manually.
We could discuss how to add more communication ways. Either ask Zanata to provide a feature, or we use a communicate method on top of openstack infra.
Well, I don't mind how it's done but would greatly appreciate if there's some easy way to send notifications to the specific language team. It probably should be a Zanata feature.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
Thanks, Robert
Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 2015/09/16
23:38:10:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 2015/09/16 23:38 Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi,
probably I simply don't see it but how would I - as
coordinator or
regular team member - send a message to the translation team for my language? The only message I can create is "contact coordinators", myself so to say.
Do I overlook this feature or is it just missing? If the latter, I'd clearly like to have it as I'm not sure if we can expect to have all translators on the openstack-i18n mailing list. In Transifex we had the "discussions" forum to reach out to all team members, that was very helpful.
-- Thanks, Robert
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From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS Cc: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 09/18/2015 02:15 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi Doug,
I see one advantage in that approach, the list is already there. I see more disadvantages:
- we'd need to make sure that all translators are subscribed. I don't think it's the case
- for a regular translator many stuff discussed here may not be relevant or interesting
- they will all have to setup proper email filtering and it needs discipline for the poster to stick to that. You'd probably need two tags, one for the project and one for the language
- we can't use the local language to discuss language specific stuff but need to stick to English
And there may be a few more. These however were my thoughts why I (still) think it should rather be a Zanata feature as there we have user/team information and could easily target messages to relevant
Hi Robert, You may be right that the i18n list isn't the best solution - but let me outline the benefits I see to using it so we can have a complete consideration: - Having the translators all subscribed to the i18n list would be an important side effect of using it for langauge team communication. Really everyone should be subscribed already https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam but I understand that isn't the case. Having a well-used mailing list would allow more effective in-team discussion where handling announcements such as Transifex->Zanata migration more effectively. Also it could facilitate communication between the translators and other parts of the development community so perhaps some bugs could be addressed more quickly. - I'd fully expect that language team discussions would take place in the local language. I think that's only one level different that keystone discussions and horizon discussions happening in the same mailing list - sometimes that feels almost as different as two languages! If the discussions are conducted on the public list, I can sort out for myself what I'm interested in or choose to ignore. If the discussions are handled through Zanata and I'm not part of that language team I have no opportunity to join in the discussion or understand why certain choices may have been made. That being said, I am not a translator. I don't have full visibility to your needs. I'll be happy with the decision of the i18n team. Thanks! Doug Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 09/18/2015 02:14:56 AM: people.
-- Thanks, Robert
On Thu Sep 17 2015 14:58:39 GMT+0200 (CEST) drfish@us.ibm.com wrote:
Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] or [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to interested parties.
The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to
who might take interest periodically.
Doug
Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 03:32:30 AM:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>, openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 09/17/2015 03:33 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi Daisy,
On Thu Sep 17 2015 09:04:33 GMT+0200 (CEST) guoyingc@cn.ibm.com wrote:
Hi, Rob
I didn't find the method to message team either. I just find an instance messaging method to communicate with
are translating the same document.
Yes, but that clearly has another purpose.
I think you might use email to talk with your team members. I know it's not good.
Frankly, it's less than not good as it means I (and whoever wants to do this) need to setup and maintain my own email distribution list all manually.
We could discuss how to add more communication ways. Either ask Zanata to provide a feature, or we use a communicate method on top of openstack infra.
Well, I don't mind how it's done but would greatly appreciate if
others people who there's
some easy way to send notifications to the specific language team. It probably should be a Zanata feature.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
Thanks, Robert
Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> wrote on 2015/09/16 23:38:10:
From: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> To: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 2015/09/16 23:38 Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
Hi,
probably I simply don't see it but how would I - as coordinator
or
regular team member - send a message to the translation team for my language? The only message I can create is "contact coordinators", myself so to say.
Do I overlook this feature or is it just missing? If the latter, I'd clearly like to have it as I'm not sure if we can expect to have all translators on the openstack-i18n mailing list. In Transifex we had the "discussions" forum to reach out to all team members, that was very helpful.
-- Thanks, Robert
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