[all] Week Out PTG Details & Registration Reminder
Hello Everyone! We are so excited to see you next week at our first virtual PTG! Below are all the details you need to have a fun and successful event. First and foremost: PLEASE REGISTER; https://virtualptgjune2020.eventbrite.com/ If you don't register for the event, we have no way of sending you information about the event, specifically the passwords that we will have set on the zoom rooms. Registration is free. =Final Schedule= The final schedule for the event is available here[1] and in the PTGBot[2]. =Tooling & Passwords= For each virtual PTG meeting room, we will provide an official Zoom videoconference room, which will be reused by various groups across the day. Please make sure to leave the room at the end of your team meeting! We will be setting passwords on the rooms to prevent vandalism/harassment, and we will send those out 24 hours before the start of the event. OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise. We recommend you try out Zoom and Meetpad ahead of the PTG to solve audio/video issues. =IRC= The main form of synchronous communication between attendees during the PTG is on IRC. If you are not on IRC, learn how to get started here [3]. The main PTG IRC channel is #openstack-ptg on Freenode, and it's used to interact with the PTGbot. The OpenStack Foundation (OSF) staff will be present to help answer questions. =PTGbot= The PTGbot[2] is an open source tool that PTG room moderators use to surface what's currently happening at the event. Room moderators will send messages to the bot via IRC, and from that information the bot publishes a webpage with several sections of information: - The discussion topics currently discussed in the room ("now") - An indicative set of discussion topics coming up next ("next") - The schedule for the day with available extra slots you can book Learn more about the PTGbot via the documentation here [4]. =Help Desk= We are here to help! If you have any questions during the event week, we will have a dedicated Zoom room where an OSF staff member will be available to answer your event related questions. If a staff member is not there to help, you can always reach someone at ptg@openstack.org or on IRC in the #openstack-ptg channel. =Feedback= We have created an etherpad[5] to collect all of your feedback throughout the event. Please add your thoughts so we can continue improving our virtual events! =Virtual Event Best Practices= Check out our list of virtual event best practices[6] prior to the event to help make the most of your time at the PTG. =Code of Conduct= The PTG is for everyone. We have zero tolerance for harassment and other violations of the OSF Community Code of Conduct. Before the PTG begins, please review the Code of Conduct[7] and know how to report an issue. -The Kendalls (diablo_rojo & wendallkaters) [1] Schedule: https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule [2] Live PTGBot: http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html [3] IRC Setup: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/common/irc.html [4] PTGBot Documentation: https://github.com/openstack/ptgbot/blob/master/README.rst [5] Feedback Etherpad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/June2020-PTG-Feedback [6] PTG Best Practices: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/virtual-ptg-best-practices [7] Code of Conduct: https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM Kendall Nelson <kennelson11@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone!
We are so excited to see you next week at our first virtual PTG! Below are all the details you need to have a fun and successful event.
First and foremost: PLEASE REGISTER; https://virtualptgjune2020.eventbrite.com/
If you don't register for the event, we have no way of sending you information about the event, specifically the passwords that we will have set on the zoom rooms. Registration is free.
=Final Schedule=
The final schedule for the event is available here[1] and in the PTGBot[2].
=Tooling & Passwords=
For each virtual PTG meeting room, we will provide an official Zoom videoconference room, which will be reused by various groups across the day. Please make sure to leave the room at the end of your team meeting!
Great and thank you for setting this up! However, I responded privately (my bad, please ignore) that we're looking to record meetings during our time slots for the Manila team PTG, and share the recordings after the event. Recording meetings has always been crucial to us, since we have a number of contributors who can't join us synchronously, and they'd watch the recordings and contribute after. We've tried to record/broadcast even when things got hard (read: Shanghai) - however, we strive because this is part of our commitment to being open and transparent about these design meetings. I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops ( https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings? If not, is it a hard requirement to stick to Zoom/Jitsi? Since I'm going to host the whole manila PTG, I can use my BlueJeans account and record/broadcast the meeting easily. Do let me know :)
We will be setting passwords on the rooms to prevent vandalism/harassment, and we will send those out 24 hours before the start of the event.
OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise.
We recommend you try out Zoom and Meetpad ahead of the PTG to solve audio/video issues.
=IRC=
The main form of synchronous communication between attendees during the PTG is on IRC. If you are not on IRC, learn how to get started here [3].
The main PTG IRC channel is #openstack-ptg on Freenode, and it's used to interact with the PTGbot. The OpenStack Foundation (OSF) staff will be present to help answer questions.
=PTGbot=
The PTGbot[2] is an open source tool that PTG room moderators use to surface what's currently happening at the event.
Room moderators will send messages to the bot via IRC, and from that information the bot publishes a webpage with several sections of information:
- The discussion topics currently discussed in the room ("now") - An indicative set of discussion topics coming up next ("next") - The schedule for the day with available extra slots you can book
Learn more about the PTGbot via the documentation here [4].
=Help Desk=
We are here to help! If you have any questions during the event week, we will have a dedicated Zoom room where an OSF staff member will be available to answer your event related questions. If a staff member is not there to help, you can always reach someone at ptg@openstack.org or on IRC in the #openstack-ptg channel.
=Feedback=
We have created an etherpad[5] to collect all of your feedback throughout the event. Please add your thoughts so we can continue improving our virtual events!
=Virtual Event Best Practices=
Check out our list of virtual event best practices[6] prior to the event to help make the most of your time at the PTG.
=Code of Conduct=
The PTG is for everyone. We have zero tolerance for harassment and other violations of the OSF Community Code of Conduct. Before the PTG begins, please review the Code of Conduct[7] and know how to report an issue.
-The Kendalls (diablo_rojo & wendallkaters)
[1] Schedule: https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule [2] Live PTGBot: http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html [3] IRC Setup: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/common/irc.html [4] PTGBot Documentation: https://github.com/openstack/ptgbot/blob/master/README.rst [5] Feedback Etherpad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/June2020-PTG-Feedback [6] PTG Best Practices: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/virtual-ptg-best-practices [7] Code of Conduct: https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/
Goutham Pacha Ravi wrote on 5/26/20 5:21 PM:
Great and thank you for setting this up!
<SNIP>
I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops (https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings?
Hi. The way we're setting up zoom will allow any PTL to set the meeting to record. Should be fairly seamless.
If not, is it a hard requirement to stick to Zoom/Jitsi? Since I'm going to host the whole manila PTG, I can use my BlueJeans account and record/broadcast the meeting easily. Do let me know :)
We will be setting passwords on the rooms to prevent vandalism/harassment, and we will send those out 24 hours before the start of the event.
OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org <https://meetpad.opendev.org/> as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise.
We recommend you try out Zoom and Meetpad ahead of the PTG to solve audio/video issues.
=IRC=
The main form of synchronous communication between attendees during the PTG is on IRC. If you are not on IRC, learn how to get started here [3].
The main PTG IRC channel is #openstack-ptg on Freenode, and it's used to interact with the PTGbot. The OpenStack Foundation (OSF) staff will be present to help answer questions.
=PTGbot=
The PTGbot[2] is an open source tool that PTG room moderators use to surface what's currently happening at the event.
Room moderators will send messages to the bot via IRC, and from that information the bot publishes a webpage with several sections of information:
- The discussion topics currently discussed in the room ("now") - An indicative set of discussion topics coming up next ("next") - The schedule for the day with available extra slots you can book
Learn more about the PTGbot via the documentation here [4].
=Help Desk=
We are here to help! If you have any questions during the event week, we will have a dedicated Zoom room where an OSF staff member will be available to answer your event related questions. If a staff member is not there to help, you can always reach someone at ptg@openstack.org <mailto:ptg@openstack.org> or on IRC in the #openstack-ptg channel.
=Feedback=
We have created an etherpad[5] to collect all of your feedback throughout the event. Please add your thoughts so we can continue improving our virtual events!
=Virtual Event Best Practices=
Check out our list of virtual event best practices[6] prior to the event to help make the most of your time at the PTG.
=Code of Conduct=
The PTG is for everyone. We have zero tolerance for harassment and other violations of the OSF Community Code of Conduct. Before the PTG begins, please review the Code of Conduct[7] and know how to report an issue.
-The Kendalls (diablo_rojo & wendallkaters)
[1] Schedule: https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule [2] Live PTGBot: http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html [3] IRC Setup: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/common/irc.html [4] PTGBot Documentation: https://github.com/openstack/ptgbot/blob/master/README.rst [5] Feedback Etherpad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/June2020-PTG-Feedback [6] PTG Best Practices: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/virtual-ptg-best-practices [7] Code of Conduct: https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 3:28 PM Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> wrote:
Goutham Pacha Ravi wrote on 5/26/20 5:21 PM:
Great and thank you for setting this up!
<SNIP>
I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops ( https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings?
Hi. The way we're setting up zoom will allow any PTL to set the meeting to record. Should be fairly seamless.
That's fantastic! Thank you for considering that.
If not, is it a hard requirement to stick to Zoom/Jitsi? Since I'm going to host the whole manila PTG, I can use my BlueJeans account and record/broadcast the meeting easily. Do let me know :)
We will be setting passwords on the rooms to prevent vandalism/harassment, and we will send those out 24 hours before the start of the event.
OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise.
We recommend you try out Zoom and Meetpad ahead of the PTG to solve audio/video issues.
=IRC=
The main form of synchronous communication between attendees during the PTG is on IRC. If you are not on IRC, learn how to get started here [3].
The main PTG IRC channel is #openstack-ptg on Freenode, and it's used to interact with the PTGbot. The OpenStack Foundation (OSF) staff will be present to help answer questions.
=PTGbot=
The PTGbot[2] is an open source tool that PTG room moderators use to surface what's currently happening at the event.
Room moderators will send messages to the bot via IRC, and from that information the bot publishes a webpage with several sections of information:
- The discussion topics currently discussed in the room ("now") - An indicative set of discussion topics coming up next ("next") - The schedule for the day with available extra slots you can book
Learn more about the PTGbot via the documentation here [4].
=Help Desk=
We are here to help! If you have any questions during the event week, we will have a dedicated Zoom room where an OSF staff member will be available to answer your event related questions. If a staff member is not there to help, you can always reach someone at ptg@openstack.org or on IRC in the #openstack-ptg channel.
=Feedback=
We have created an etherpad[5] to collect all of your feedback throughout the event. Please add your thoughts so we can continue improving our virtual events!
=Virtual Event Best Practices=
Check out our list of virtual event best practices[6] prior to the event to help make the most of your time at the PTG.
=Code of Conduct=
The PTG is for everyone. We have zero tolerance for harassment and other violations of the OSF Community Code of Conduct. Before the PTG begins, please review the Code of Conduct[7] and know how to report an issue.
-The Kendalls (diablo_rojo & wendallkaters)
[1] Schedule: https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule [2] Live PTGBot: http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html [3] IRC Setup: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/common/irc.html [4] PTGBot Documentation: https://github.com/openstack/ptgbot/blob/master/README.rst [5] Feedback Etherpad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/June2020-PTG-Feedback [6] PTG Best Practices: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/virtual-ptg-best-practices [7] Code of Conduct: https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/
On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 00:34, Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> wrote:
Goutham Pacha Ravi wrote on 5/26/20 5:21 PM:
Great and thank you for setting this up!
<SNIP>
I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops (https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings?
Hi. The way we're setting up zoom will allow any PTL to set the meeting to record. Should be fairly seamless.
Hello, I've enabled Zoom recording in a few PTG sessions so far (two for Blazar and one for Scientific SIG). Each time I selected the "record to cloud" option, but I haven't found a way to access the recordings later. Is the Foundation able to access and share these recordings? Thanks, Pierre Riteau (priteau)
I’ll let Jimmy confirm, but yes, I do believe that the Foundation will have access to the recordings and we can send them to you. Cheers, Kendall Kendall Waters Perez OpenStack Marketing & Events kendall@openstack.org
On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Pierre Riteau <pierre@stackhpc.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 00:34, Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>> wrote:
Goutham Pacha Ravi wrote on 5/26/20 5:21 PM:
Great and thank you for setting this up!
<SNIP>
I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops (https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings?
Hi. The way we're setting up zoom will allow any PTL to set the meeting to record. Should be fairly seamless.
Hello,
I've enabled Zoom recording in a few PTG sessions so far (two for Blazar and one for Scientific SIG). Each time I selected the "record to cloud" option, but I haven't found a way to access the recordings later. Is the Foundation able to access and share these recordings?
Thanks, Pierre Riteau (priteau)
Yes, we can also provide a link and a password to download. Kendall Waters wrote on 6/2/20 11:13 AM:
I’ll let Jimmy confirm, but yes, I do believe that the Foundation will have access to the recordings and we can send them to you.
Cheers, Kendall
Kendall Waters Perez OpenStack Marketing & Events kendall@openstack.org <mailto:kendall@openstack.org>
On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Pierre Riteau <pierre@stackhpc.com <mailto:pierre@stackhpc.com>> wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 00:34, Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>> wrote:
Goutham Pacha Ravi wrote on 5/26/20 5:21 PM:
Great and thank you for setting this up!
<SNIP>
I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops (https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings?
Hi. The way we're setting up zoom will allow any PTL to set the meeting to record. Should be fairly seamless.
Hello,
I've enabled Zoom recording in a few PTG sessions so far (two for Blazar and one for Scientific SIG). Each time I selected the "record to cloud" option, but I haven't found a way to access the recordings later. Is the Foundation able to access and share these recordings?
Thanks, Pierre Riteau (priteau)
Thank you both! On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 19:13, Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> wrote:
Yes, we can also provide a link and a password to download.
Kendall Waters wrote on 6/2/20 11:13 AM:
I’ll let Jimmy confirm, but yes, I do believe that the Foundation will have access to the recordings and we can send them to you.
Cheers, Kendall
Kendall Waters Perez OpenStack Marketing & Events kendall@openstack.org
On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Pierre Riteau <pierre@stackhpc.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 00:34, Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> wrote:
Goutham Pacha Ravi wrote on 5/26/20 5:21 PM:
Great and thank you for setting this up!
<SNIP>
I am aware that we can't do this with our Jitsi Meet instance currently. Zoom meetings won't let you record without the host unless you jump through some hoops (https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204101699-Recording-without-the-Ho...). Do you think we'll still have recordings?
Hi. The way we're setting up zoom will allow any PTL to set the meeting to record. Should be fairly seamless.
Hello,
I've enabled Zoom recording in a few PTG sessions so far (two for Blazar and one for Scientific SIG). Each time I selected the "record to cloud" option, but I haven't found a way to access the recordings later. Is the Foundation able to access and share these recordings?
Thanks, Pierre Riteau (priteau)
On 5/26/20 8:06 PM, Kendall Nelson wrote:
For each virtual PTG meeting room, we will provide an official Zoom videoconference room, which will be reused by various groups across the day. Sorry for ranting, but I can't help it on this topic...
I really think it's a shame that it's been decided on a non-free video conference service. Why aren't we self-hosting it, and using free software instead of Zoom, which on top of this had major security problems recently? Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)
On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 5/26/20 8:06 PM, Kendall Nelson wrote:
For each virtual PTG meeting room, we will provide an official Zoom videoconference room, which will be reused by various groups across the day.
This is what you snipped out of the previous email:
OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise.
Sorry for ranting, but I can't help it on this topic...
I really think it's a shame that it's been decided on a non-free video conference service. Why aren't we self-hosting it, and using free software instead of Zoom, which on top of this had major security problems recently?
As noted in the portion of the email you removed: we are. The OpenDev team has been working to ensure that Jitsi Meet is ready to go (just today we added in the ability to scale up jvb processes to balance load), but it is a very new service to us and alternatives are a good thing. We're going to try and estimate usage ahead of time and from that be ready for Monday. If you're testing it this week or having trouble next week please let us know. We're going to do our best, but it will likely be a learning experience. As another option my understanding is that Zoom supports quite large rooms which may be necessary for some groups that are meeting. And it is good to have a backup, particularly since we haven't done this before (and that applies in both directions, it is entirely possible some people using Zoom may find meetpad is a better fit and those trying meetpad may want to switch to Zoom for reasons). Zoom provides dial in numbers for much of the world (though not all of it), as well as providing a web client that doesn't require you to install any additional software beyond your web browser. Clark
As long as we have something that works and all of us can use - who cares. -----Original Message----- From: Clark Boylan <cboylan@sapwetik.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:47 PM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [all] Week Out PTG Details & Registration Reminder [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 5/26/20 8:06 PM, Kendall Nelson wrote:
For each virtual PTG meeting room, we will provide an official Zoom videoconference room, which will be reused by various groups across the day.
This is what you snipped out of the previous email:
OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise.
Sorry for ranting, but I can't help it on this topic...
I really think it's a shame that it's been decided on a non-free video conference service. Why aren't we self-hosting it, and using free software instead of Zoom, which on top of this had major security problems recently?
As noted in the portion of the email you removed: we are. The OpenDev team has been working to ensure that Jitsi Meet is ready to go (just today we added in the ability to scale up jvb processes to balance load), but it is a very new service to us and alternatives are a good thing. We're going to try and estimate usage ahead of time and from that be ready for Monday. If you're testing it this week or having trouble next week please let us know. We're going to do our best, but it will likely be a learning experience. As another option my understanding is that Zoom supports quite large rooms which may be necessary for some groups that are meeting. And it is good to have a backup, particularly since we haven't done this before (and that applies in both directions, it is entirely possible some people using Zoom may find meetpad is a better fit and those trying meetpad may want to switch to Zoom for reasons). Zoom provides dial in numbers for much of the world (though not all of it), as well as providing a web client that doesn't require you to install any additional software beyond your web browser. Clark
On 2020-05-28 00:50:38 +0000 (+0000), Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com wrote:
As long as we have something that works and all of us can use - who cares. [...]
Software freedom is one of the underlying tenets of the OpenStack project. I understand that it may not be important to everyone, but many of us value free/libre open source software and prefer to use it when possible over proprietary alternatives. Otherwise you might say the same about OpenStack itself: AWS, Vsphere, and so on work and all of us *can* use those, so why bother making OpenStack? Why put effort into touting the freedom our software affords its users if we don't in turn value the same freedom in software we choose for ourselves? So I guess my answer to your question is, "me... I care." -- Jeremy Stanley
On 5/27/20 11:46 PM, Clark Boylan wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 5/26/20 8:06 PM, Kendall Nelson wrote:
For each virtual PTG meeting room, we will provide an official Zoom videoconference room, which will be reused by various groups across the day.
This is what you snipped out of the previous email:
OpenDev's Jitsi Meet instance is also available at https://meetpad.opendev.org as an alternative tooling option to create team-specific meetings. This is more experimental and may not work as well for larger groups, but has the extra benefit of including etherpad integration (the videoconference doubles as an etherpad document, avoiding jumping between windows). PTGBot can be used to publish the chosen meeting URL if you decide to not use the official Zoom one. The OpenDev Sysadmins can be reached in the #opendev IRC channel if any problems arise.
Sorry for ranting, but I can't help it on this topic...
I really think it's a shame that it's been decided on a non-free video conference service. Why aren't we self-hosting it, and using free software instead of Zoom, which on top of this had major security problems recently?
As noted in the portion of the email you removed: we are. The OpenDev team has been working to ensure that Jitsi Meet is ready to go (just today we added in the ability to scale up jvb processes to balance load), but it is a very new service to us and alternatives are a good thing. We're going to try and estimate usage ahead of time and from that be ready for Monday. If you're testing it this week or having trouble next week please let us know. We're going to do our best, but it will likely be a learning experience.
As another option my understanding is that Zoom supports quite large rooms which may be necessary for some groups that are meeting. And it is good to have a backup, particularly since we haven't done this before (and that applies in both directions, it is entirely possible some people using Zoom may find meetpad is a better fit and those trying meetpad may want to switch to Zoom for reasons). Zoom provides dial in numbers for much of the world (though not all of it), as well as providing a web client that doesn't require you to install any additional software beyond your web browser.
Clark, the only point which I think is acceptable on the above is the fact that you're mentioning Jitsi on opendev infra is new. However, it's not new in many places. My company provides it for free (meet.infomaniak.com), it's also available on Debian infra (https://jitsi.debian.social/), and if you called for help, I'm sure you'd have receive some. Though I don't agree with some other points. 1/ Zoom is the default, Jitsi is the alternative. It should have been the other way around, as now, mostly everyone will be using Zoom. Participants will find me moronic to require something else than Zoom. 2/ Zoom doesn't work for me in in Firefox of Chromium (on Debian Buster). The only thing it wants is to start the (non-free) Zoom app, which I do not want to install, for security and moral reasons. We're doing free software, can't we forbid using non-free as well here? This is very disappointing. I may have to install Zoom in a VM... or just give-up on the virtual-PTG because it's too frustrating of an experience for me. Note that we did a mini-debconf-online this week-end, and it ran ok with many participants in the same room. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)
On 2020-06-03 01:18:43 +0200 (+0200), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...]
1/ Zoom is the default, Jitsi is the alternative. It should have been the other way around, as now, mostly everyone will be using Zoom. Participants will find me moronic to require something else than Zoom.
So far I've been in sessions for 5 different teams, and 4 of them used our Meetpad instance instead of Zoom. There has been some struggle for rooms in the 40 participant range, but we've scaled the cluster to be able to handle many rooms at least.
2/ Zoom doesn't work for me in in Firefox of Chromium (on Debian Buster). The only thing it wants is to start the (non-free) Zoom app, which I do not want to install, for security and moral reasons.
An HTML5 client is enabled for the Zoom rooms, but there's a bit of a trick to accessing it because they'd rather you ran their proprietary binary extension or standalone client. When you first go to the meeting URL, cancel the client download pop-up. Then click the link to download the client and cancel the pop-up again. After the second download cancellation it will add a link to use the browser-based HTML5 client. Yes it's silly and I'm not a fan, but it has at least worked for me (I used Chromium, mainly because I normally use Firefox for everything else and would prefer not to pollute my FF profile with the necessary microphone access permissions and so on).
We're doing free software, can't we forbid using non-free as well here? This is very disappointing. [...]
Software freedom is, in many ways, like actual freedom. We encourage people to use free/libre open source tools, but we can't realistically forbid any teams from using whatever tools they prefer, that would only encourage them to do so secretly.
Note that we did a mini-debconf-online this week-end, and it ran ok with many participants in the same room.
I'd love to get some tips from the folks running that Jitsi-Meet instance, we've definitely been getting a fair number of complaints about ours causing participants' browsers to eat most of their processor capacity, sound cutting in and out or being completely silent and needing to reconnect, et cetera. I don't think it's been the case for a majority of participants, but it's enough that it seems to have driven some teams to choose proprietary alternatives after they gave it a try. We'd love to improve the user experience. -- Jeremy Stanley
Just a quick heads up, we discovered on Friday that Meetpad room names with upper-case letters will cause problems with our Etherpad integration. Use all lower-case pad names to avoid this. If you have an existing pad you want to use with Meetpad and it has some upper-case letters in its name, or punctuation other than hyphen (-) or underscore (_), please reach out to the OpenDev sysadmins in the #opendev IRC channel on Freenode or the service-discuss@lists.opendev.org mailing list and we can rename it for you. For a bit more background, Jitsi-Meet treats room names case-insensitively (due to its XMPP heritage); Etherpad on the other hand treats pad names case-sensitively. If you try to use the "shared document" Etherpad in a Meetpad room with upper-case letters in its name, you'll ultimately wind up getting connected to the wrong pad. The punctuation mention above is regarding a separate limitation. Right now the only punctuation we're configured to support for Meetpad rooms are hyphens and underscores. As a result, you'll currently be unable to use it with Etherpads whose names include other punctuation like periods, commas, or parentheses. -- Jeremy Stanley
I've heard a number of second-hand reports of sound quality issues, but just wanted to convey some practical personal experience: Try going to the vertical ellipsis (⋮) menu in the bottom-right corner of the Jitsi-Meet window, and select the "Manage video quality" option, then select "Low bandwidth" mode. This will disable video streams from all participants for you. You may have some luck with its "Low definition" mode, but for me I needed to just dispense with video entirely on the limited capacity system I was using. A short explanation is that the video codecs used by Jitsi-Meet benefit a lot from hardware acceleration. Many of us running open source operating systems may lack built-in support for these, and older/lower-end hardware can simply be overtaxed by it. When you run out of available CPU cycles to process the audio streams, they start to cut in and out. Closing other CPU-intensive applications can also help, or moving to a dedicated machine if you have the luxury. As mentioned elsewhere, modern WebKit-based browsers like Chromium do somewhat better at handling this, so switching to one of those for your conference window might help too. Further, the Jitsi-Meet mobile app is reported to get good performance on some smartphones. -- Jeremy Stanley
Looks like the audio doesn't work for PRC user. Anyone else from PRC Jitsi-Meet's audo works? Thanks Alex Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> 于2020年6月2日周二 上午9:58写道：
I've heard a number of second-hand reports of sound quality issues, but just wanted to convey some practical personal experience:
Try going to the vertical ellipsis (⋮) menu in the bottom-right corner of the Jitsi-Meet window, and select the "Manage video quality" option, then select "Low bandwidth" mode. This will disable video streams from all participants for you. You may have some luck with its "Low definition" mode, but for me I needed to just dispense with video entirely on the limited capacity system I was using.
A short explanation is that the video codecs used by Jitsi-Meet benefit a lot from hardware acceleration. Many of us running open source operating systems may lack built-in support for these, and older/lower-end hardware can simply be overtaxed by it. When you run out of available CPU cycles to process the audio streams, they start to cut in and out. Closing other CPU-intensive applications can also help, or moving to a dedicated machine if you have the luxury. As mentioned elsewhere, modern WebKit-based browsers like Chromium do somewhat better at handling this, so switching to one of those for your conference window might help too. Further, the Jitsi-Meet mobile app is reported to get good performance on some smartphones. -- Jeremy Stanley
Alex Xu wrote:
Looks like the audio doesn't work for PRC user. Anyone else from PRC Jitsi-Meet's audo works?
Can't comment on usage from PRC, but I hit a case where I had no audio at all... Closing and rejoining the meeting worked around the issue for me. Also it seems that Chrome/Chromium works slightly better than Firefox. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
On 2020-06-02 11:06:14 +0200 (+0200), Thierry Carrez wrote:
Alex Xu wrote:
Looks like the audio doesn't work for PRC user. Anyone else from PRC Jitsi-Meet's audo works?
Can't comment on usage from PRC, but I hit a case where I had no audio at all... Closing and rejoining the meeting worked around the issue for me. Also it seems that Chrome/Chromium works slightly better than Firefox.
Yes, in my earlier tests I was personally unable to get Firefox working with it at all (no audio or video) even after granting permission to access my microphone and camera, but it's possible that was due to the extensive privacy settings I've configured. -- Jeremy Stanley
participants (11)
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Alex Xu
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Arkady.Kanevsky＠dell.com
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Clark Boylan
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Goutham Pacha Ravi
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Jeremy Stanley
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Jimmy McArthur
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Kendall Nelson
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Kendall Waters
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Pierre Riteau
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Thierry Carrez
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Thomas Goirand