On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:51 AM Markos Chandras mchandras@suse.de wrote:

Hello,

On 08/03/2019 16:36, Mohammed Naser wrote:

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Hi everyone, [...] With that, I propose that we drop SUSE support this cycle. If anyone would like to volunteer to maintain it, we can review that option, but that would require a serious commitment as we've had maintainers step off and it hurts the velocity of the project as no one can merge code anymore.

Yes, I apologize for that but I have changed roles within SUSE so it became very difficult for me to maintain it myself.

First off, no need to apologize! Thank you so much for the help that you put in over the past few months in order to get it working.

However, I would suggest to keep it for this cycle (as we are almost done with it) hoping that someone else will be able to take care of that during the stabilization period.

I worry that the issue with this is that we have to maintain it for 2-3 more cycles, as any problems that it have will still have impact in our stable gates, so we're likely on the hook for maintaining it for 3 more cycles.

It's also quite hard for us to drop support mid-way through a release, which is where it can get a bit hard.

I would even suggest to move the jobs to the experimental on the next cycle if nobody steps up because removing (and possibly adding back in the future) the support in the AIO and all the roles will be just too much work for anyone to pick it up.

Would it be a huge problem to have it as experimental-only instead of dropping it completely?

I think we could move the jobs to experimental. However, I don't think we've had much volunteers that wanted to step in to look into it.

My thought process was to somehow make the remove one big commit within a role so all it would involve is reverting the commit that removed the support.

The reason behind that is it would probably help simplify our roles rather than us trying to "workaround" something that might just eventually suffer from bitrot.

I am open to all suggestions and I'd love to hear input from the community as well.

-- markos

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:34 PM Kevin Carter kevin@cloudnull.com wrote:

I would be very sad to see this go, I actually run openSUSE in my home lab, though I am by no means an active user in production. Maybe this is something we can keep in tree but remove the tests for so it’s not consuming gate resources? This would be similar to the recent addition of Gentoo which has very limited, if any, gate testing at this time. If we’re still running into issues or if there are no known maintainers/users in production by B1 within the T cycle I’d be onboard with it being dropped.

Given the initial response, I think I will propose changes to move the jobs to experimental.

If we don't see much patches flowing in or the jobs often ran (which Zuul should provide us that information easily), we can pull the content out afterwards.

I appreciate the feedback! :)

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Kevin Carter

IRC: Cloudnull

From: Mohammed Naser Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 10:37 AM To: OpenStack Discuss Subject: [openstack-ansible] dropping suse support

Hi everyone,

I've been trying to avoid writing this email for the longest time

ever. It's really painful to have to reach this state, but I think

we've hit a point where we can no longer maintain support for SUSE

within OpenStack Ansible.

Unfortunately, with the recent layoffs, the OSA team has taken a huge

hit in terms of contributors which means that there is far less

contributors within the project. This means that we have less

resources to go around and it forces us to focus on a more functional,

reliable and well tested set of scenarios.

Over the past few cycles, there has been effort to add SUSE support to

OpenStack Ansible, during the time that we had maintainers, it was

great and SUSE issues were being fixed promptly. In addition, due to

the larger team at the time, we found ourselves having some extra time

where we can help unbreak other gates. Jesse used to call this a

"labour of love", which I admired at the time and hoped we continue to

do as much as we can of.

However, the lack of a committed maintainer for OpenSUSE has resulted

in constantly failing jobs[1][2] (which were moved to non-voting,

wasting CI resources as no one fixed them). In addition, it's causing

several gate blocks for a few times with no one really finding the

time to clean them up.

We are resource constrained at this point and we need the resource to

go towards making the small subset of supported features functional

(i.e. CentOS/Ubuntu). We struggle with that enough, and there seems

to be no deployers that are running SUSE in real life at the moment

based on bugs submitted.

With that, I propose that we drop SUSE support this cycle. If anyone

would like to volunteer to maintain it, we can review that option, but

that would require a serious commitment as we've had maintainers step

off and it hurts the velocity of the project as no one can merge code

anymore.

..Really wish I didn't have to write this email

Mohammed