On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 08:56, Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com wrote:

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 08:54, Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com wrote:

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Hi,

Over the weekend, the Kolla Etherpad [1] has had various sections replaced with (what I think is) a Chinese translation, twice. This replaces the original English text for everyone. I guess that this is some browser based translator that does not realise it is modifying the page content for everyone. The export/import procedure I used to restore the etherpad loses some formatting, attributions, and may have lost content if changes were made in between.

Please, we need to find another solution for translation. If you need to make translations, please copy text to another window, or at least provide translations for specific text *next to the English*.

If this happens again we will need to move to another tool, such as Google docs. I would much prefer not to do this, and rather use an open source tool that is widely accessible, but we do need to be able to collaborate this week without disruption.

I look forward to working with you this week. I hope this does not discourage non-native English speakers, of which there is generally a majority. If I can provide any assistance to make the sessions more accessible, please get in touch.

I added the following text at the top of the page:

请不要翻译此页面。它为所有人修改文本。 (Please do not translate this page. It modifies the text for everyone.)

This came from Google translate. If there is a better translation or wording, I'm open to it.

Thank you to wu.chunyang for improving the translation:

每个人都可以更改这个页面， 所以请不要翻译此页面。 (Everyone can change this page, so please do not translate it.)

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Cheers, Mark

[1] https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kolla-wallaby-ptg

Thanks, Brian! This emoticon is lovely. Stealing.

(ノ ゜Д゜)ノ c┻━┻ (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ c┻━┻ (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ c┻━┻

-yoctozepto

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:40 PM Brian Rosmaita rosmaita.fossdev@gmail.com wrote:

Apologies for top-posting, but we've been putting the following at the top of Cinder etherpads for meetings, PTG, midcycles, etc., where using the time slider after a translation has happened still doesn't get you back to where you were if you didn't catch the change immediately:

DO NOT USE TRANSLATION TOOLS IN THIS ETHERPAD!!!! (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ c┻━┻ 不要在这个ETHERPAD中使用翻译工具！

To translate this etherpad, please follow these easy instructions:

1. Look in the above toolbar and click the '</>' ("Share this pad") button
2. Click the "Read only" checkbox at the top of the dialog box
3. Copy the URL that appears in the "Link" box
4. Open that URL in a new browser tab or window
5. Use your translation tools of choice in the new window

Thank you!

要翻译此etherpad，请按照以下简单说明进行操作： 1.查看上面的工具栏，然后单击“ </>”（“共享此记事本”）按钮 2.单击对话框顶部的“只读”复选框 3.复制出现在“链接”框中的URL 4.在新的浏览器标签或窗口中打开该URL 5.在新窗口中使用您选择的翻译工具 谢谢！

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I don't think we've had problems since we included the instructions, whereas the "please don't translate" message wasn't effective in our experience.

Text was google translate verified by a native speaker.

On 10/26/20 4:54 AM, Mark Goddard wrote:

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Hi,

Over the weekend, the Kolla Etherpad [1] has had various sections replaced with (what I think is) a Chinese translation, twice. This replaces the original English text for everyone. I guess that this is some browser based translator that does not realise it is modifying the page content for everyone. The export/import procedure I used to restore the etherpad loses some formatting, attributions, and may have lost content if changes were made in between.

Please, we need to find another solution for translation. If you need to make translations, please copy text to another window, or at least provide translations for specific text *next to the English*.

If this happens again we will need to move to another tool, such as Google docs. I would much prefer not to do this, and rather use an open source tool that is widely accessible, but we do need to be able to collaborate this week without disruption.

I look forward to working with you this week. I hope this does not discourage non-native English speakers, of which there is generally a majority. If I can provide any assistance to make the sessions more accessible, please get in touch.

Cheers, Mark

[1] https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kolla-wallaby-ptg

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 12:32, Brian Rosmaita rosmaita.fossdev@gmail.com wrote:

Apologies for top-posting, but we've been putting the following at the top of Cinder etherpads for meetings, PTG, midcycles, etc., where using the time slider after a translation has happened still doesn't get you back to where you were if you didn't catch the change immediately:

DO NOT USE TRANSLATION TOOLS IN THIS ETHERPAD!!!! (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ c┻━┻ 不要在这个ETHERPAD中使用翻译工具！

To translate this etherpad, please follow these easy instructions:

1. Look in the above toolbar and click the '</>' ("Share this pad") button
2. Click the "Read only" checkbox at the top of the dialog box
3. Copy the URL that appears in the "Link" box
4. Open that URL in a new browser tab or window
5. Use your translation tools of choice in the new window

Thank you!

要翻译此etherpad，请按照以下简单说明进行操作： 1.查看上面的工具栏，然后单击“ </>”（“共享此记事本”）按钮 2.单击对话框顶部的“只读”复选框 3.复制出现在“链接”框中的URL 4.在新的浏览器标签或窗口中打开该URL 5.在新窗口中使用您选择的翻译工具 谢谢！

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I don't think we've had problems since we included the instructions, whereas the "please don't translate" message wasn't effective in our experience.

Text was google translate verified by a native speaker.

Thanks Brian, that is very helpful. So far so good...

On 10/26/20 4:54 AM, Mark Goddard wrote:

...

Hi,

Over the weekend, the Kolla Etherpad [1] has had various sections replaced with (what I think is) a Chinese translation, twice. This replaces the original English text for everyone. I guess that this is some browser based translator that does not realise it is modifying the page content for everyone. The export/import procedure I used to restore the etherpad loses some formatting, attributions, and may have lost content if changes were made in between.

Please, we need to find another solution for translation. If you need to make translations, please copy text to another window, or at least provide translations for specific text *next to the English*.

If this happens again we will need to move to another tool, such as Google docs. I would much prefer not to do this, and rather use an open source tool that is widely accessible, but we do need to be able to collaborate this week without disruption.

I look forward to working with you this week. I hope this does not discourage non-native English speakers, of which there is generally a majority. If I can provide any assistance to make the sessions more accessible, please get in touch.

Cheers, Mark

[1] https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kolla-wallaby-ptg