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[placement] zuul job dependencies for greater good?
by Chris Dent 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Zuul has a feature that makes it possible to only run some jobs after others have passed: https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/user/config.html#attr-job.dependencies Except for tempest and grenade (which take about an hour to 1.5 hours to run, sometimes a lot more) the usual time for any of the placement tests is less than 6 minutes each, sometimes less than 4. I've been wondering if we might want to consider only running tempest and grenade if the other tests have passed first? So here's this message seeking opinions. On the one hand this ought to be redundant. The expectation is that a submitter has already done at least one python version worth of unit and functional tests. Fast8 too. On one of my machines 'tox -efunctional-py37,py37,pep8' on warmed up virtualenvs is a bit under 53 seconds. So it's not like it's a huge burden or cpu melting. But on the other hand, if someone has failed to do that, and they have failing tests, they shouldn't get the pleasure of wasting a tempest or grenade node. Another argument I've heard for not doing this is if there are failures of different types in different tests, having all that info for the round of fixing that will be required is good. That is, getting a unit failure, fixing that, then subumitting again, only to get an integration failure which then needs another round of fixing (and testing) might be rather annoying. I'd argue that that's important information about unit or functional tests being insufficient. I'm not at all sold on the idea, but thought it worth "socializing" for input. Thanks. -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent tw: @anticdent

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[charms] Proposing Pete VanderGiessen to the Charms core team
by Frode Nordahl 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Hello all, I would like to propose Pete VanderGiessen as a member of the Charms core team. -- Frode Nordahl

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[I18n] Team meeting Feb 28 2019 16:00 UTC
by Frank Kloeker 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Hello, after my vacation I want to make the I18n team meeting on Thursday, 28th of Feb and hopefully I'll be there on time. There are several topics on the agenda [1]. Feel free to add your topics too. kind regards Frank [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting

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[tc] [election] Candidate question: growth of projects
by Chris Dent 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

This is another set of questions for TC candidates, to look at a different side of things from my first one [1] and somewhat related to the one Doug has asked [2]. As Doug mentions, a continuing role of the TC is to evaluate applicants to be official projects. These questions are about that. There are 63 teams in the official list of projects. How do you feel about this size? Too big, too small, just right? Why? If you had to make a single declaration about growth in the number of projects would you prefer to see (and why, of course): * More projects as required by demand. * Slower or no growth to focus on what we've got. * Trim the number of projects to "get back to our roots". * Something else. How has the relatively recent emergence of the open infrastructure projects that are at the same "level" in the Foundation as OpenStack changed your thoughts on the above questions? Do you think the number of projects has any impact (positive or negative) on our overall ability to get things done? Recognizing that there are many types of contributors, not just developers, this question is about developers: Throughout history different members of the community have sometimes identified as an "OpenStack developer", sometimes as a project developer (e.g., "Nova developer"). Should we encourage contributors to think of themselves as primarily OpenStack developers? If so, how do we do that? If not, why not? Thanks. [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/002914… [2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/002923… -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent tw: @anticdent

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[dev][swift] Regarding fstab entries in object servers
by Vedartham Bharath 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Hi all, This is with regards to an issue in the documentation of Openstack Swift and mostly an issue to system administrators operating Swift.(Sorry if the subject tags are wrong!!) In the Swift Multiserver docs, When setting up an object storage server, the docs tell to use the disk labels in the disk's /etc/fstab entries. eg: /dev/sda /srv/node/sda xfs noatime............. I feel that we should encourage people to use UUIDs rather than disk labels. I have had a lot of issues with my Swift storage servers crashing whenever I reboot them. I have found out that the issue is with the /etc/fstab as the disk labels change whenever a disk is removed or added(depends on the OS's "mood" i.e boot order). I don't want to change my ring configuration every time I reboot my storage servers. Thank you Bharath

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OpenInfra Day Vietnam 2019 - pre-CFP
by Trinh Nguyen 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Hello, This is the pre-calling for presentations at the OpenInfra Day in Vietnam this year. If you love to visit Hanoi <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanoi>, the capital of Vietnam, and share your passion for the Open Infrastructure of any topic, please let me know by replying to this email. Below is the tentative information of the event: - Date: 31 August 2019 - Location: Hanoi, Vietnam We are working with the OpenStack Foundation to organize the Upstream Institute at the day so this will be a great opportunity for potential contributors to come and learn. There is also a couple of PTLs and projects core members have shown their interest in visiting Hanoi for this event. We will send out the official call-for-presentations after we've done with the logistic vendors and It would be around the beginning of May or sooner. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. See you in Hanoi :) Yours, -- *Trinh Nguyen* *www.edlab.xyz <https://www.edlab.xyz>*

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[Cyborg][IRC] The Cyborg IRC meeting will be held Wednesday at 0300 UTC
by Li Liu 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Sorry for the late reminder The IRC meeting will be held Wednesday at 0300 UTC, which is 10:00 pm est(Tuesday) / 7:00 pm pst(Tuesday) /11 am Beijing time (Wednesday) -- Thank you Regards Li

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[all] 'Train' TC Election Voting Period Begins!
by Kendall Nelson 27 Feb '19

27 Feb '19

Hello All! The poll for the TC Election is now open and will remain open until Mar 05, 2019 23:45 UTC. We are selecting 7 TC members, please rank all candidates in your order of preference. You are eligible to vote if you are a Foundation individual member[1] that also has committed to one of the official programs projects[2] over the Feb 09, 2018 00:00 UTC - Feb 19, 2019 00:00 UTC timeframe (Rocky to Stein) or if you are one of the extra-atcs.[3] What to do if you don't see the email and have a commit in at least one of the official programs projects[2]: * check the trash or spam folder of your gerrit Preferred Email address[4], in case it went into trash or spam * wait a bit and check again, in case your email server is a bit slow * find the sha of at least one commit from the program project repos[2] and email the election officials[1]. If we can confirm that you are entitled to vote, we will add you to the voters list and you will be emailed a ballot. Our democratic process is important to the health of OpenStack, please exercise your right to vote. Candidate statements/platforms can be found linked to Candidate names[6]. Happy voting! Thank you, -Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo) [1] http://www.openstack.org/community/members/ [2] https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/plain/reference/project… [3] Look for the extra-atcs element in [2] [4] Sign into review.openstack.org: Go to Settings > Contact Information. Look at the email listed as your preferred email. That is where the ballot has been sent. [5] http://governance.openstack.org/election/#election-officials [6] http://governance.openstack.org/election/#stein-tc-candidates

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[cinder] extra_capabilities for scheduler filters
by Sam Morrison 26 Feb '19

26 Feb '19

Hi, Just wondering if extra_capabilities should be available in backend_state to be able to be used by scheduler filters? I can't seem to use my custom capabilities within the capabilities filter. Thanks, Sam

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[tc][election] New series of campaign questions
by Jean-Philippe Evrard 26 Feb '19

26 Feb '19

Hello, Here are my questions for the candidates. Keep in mind some might overlap with existing questions, so I would expect a little different answer there than what was said. Most questions are intentionally controversial and non-strategic, so please play this spiritual game openly as much as you can (no hard feelings!). The objective for me with those questions is not to corner you/force you implement x if you were elected (that would be using my TC hat for asking you questions, which I believe would be wrong), but instead have a glimpse on your mindset (which is important for me as an individual member in OpenStack). It's more like the "magic wand" questions. After this long introduction, here is my volley of questions. A) In a world where "general" OpenStack issues/features are solved through community goals, do you think the TC should focus on "less interesting" technical issues across projects, like tech debt reduction? Or at the opposite, do you think the TC should tackle the hardest OpenStack wide problems? B) Do you think the TC must check and actively follow all the official projects' health and activities? Why? C) Do you think the TC's role is to "empower" project and PTLs? If yes, how do you think the TC can help those? If no, do you think it would be the other way around, with PTLs empowering the TC to achieve more? How and why? D) Do you think the community goals should be converted to a "backlog"of time constrained OpenStack "projects", instead of being constrained per cycle? (with the ability to align some goals with releasing when necessary) E) Do you think we should abandon projects' ML tags/IRC channels, to replace them by focus areas? For example, having [storage] to group people from [cinder] or [manila]. Do you think that would help new contributors, or communication in the community? F) There can be multiple years between a "user desired feature across OpenStack projects", and its actual implementation through the community goals. How do you think we can improve? G) What do you think of the elections process for the TC? Do you think it is good enough to gather a team to work on hard problems? Or do you think electing person per person have an opposite effect, highlighting individuals versus a common program/shared objectives? Corollary: Do you think we should now elect TC members by groups (of 2 or 3 persons for example), so that we would highlight their program vs highlight individual ideas/qualities? Thanks for your patience, and thanks for your application! Regards, Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)

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