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Maybe this could be of help: http://blog.namsor.com/api/ 
The API can determine gender with a high level of accuracy based on first and last name.
Who owns the gender guessing script at the moment? Maybe this can be incorporated into it.

Regards,
Emma

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> Have to change the thread since I'm a word nerd. :)
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Claire Delcourt <claire at nuagenetworks.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't think the intend was to say that the SW developers are the 
> > only real contributors (besides I personally don't think that SW 
> > developer is the only technical role in the OpenStack community).
> >
> > If I understand correctly the various reactions, it is a matter of 
> > rephrasing the question to something like  "how many SW developers are 
> > female developers?".  That is a valid question to me, and more 
> > generally having statistics about the various roles that the women of 
> > OpenStack have in the community is interesting.
> >
>
> The answer is more complex than you might imagine. We've used some scripts since 2013 or so, with a gender-guessing algorithm based on first name. It isn't very > accurate for our community because it was using US census data to match names to gender, for example. [1]
>
> Using something like Stackalytics REST API and a Python script with again, the gender guesser that I don't like, shows there are more unknown genders than men, > based on name guessing. [2]

> Liberty:
> females: 157
> males: 870
> unknown: 985
>
> Kilo:
> females: 135
> males: 778
> unknown: 829
>
> I don't really like any of these counting devices because it's ignoring, say, Asian and Indian first-name-gender-guessing, and diversity means diversity across many > viewpoints.
>
> I'll also note that for me, event attendance is a poor counting device for activity of women and minorities especially, since it can be more difficult to achieve escape > velocity for various reasons, caretaking, budgeting, location proximity, shifting priorities, and so on.
>
> I hope that info gives you a little more background. Please tell me if I'm incorrect in any of the explanations. This is a good discussion, thanks for having it. 
>
> Anne
>
> 1. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007288.html
> 2. https://github.com/openfly/openstack-gender
>
>
> >
> >
> > Claire
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Anne Gentle 
> > <annegentle at justwriteclick.com
>  > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Foley, Emma L 
> >> <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have nothing against non-technical people, and I meant no offence, 
> >>> but I'm looking at it from a different point-of-view than you are. 
> >>> Maybe my view is skewed, as the majority of the men I met were 
> >>> technical, and it seemed that the majority of the women I met were 
> >>> not technical. I got the feeling that technical women were highly 
> >>> underrepresented at the summit. I don't know what the over-all 
> >>> statistics were for technical/non-technical male/female overall, but 
> >>> I just saw the women as a majority non-technical group, and while 
> >>> there's nothing wrong with that, it would leave me feeling that 
> >>> being a technical women puts me in much more of a minority than I thought. i.e. I was expecting to find women in a similar role to myself.
> >>>
> >>> It might also be to do with the fact that I expected a lot more 
> >>> technical people overall, as that is where I'm coming from, working 
> >>> in a technical team in a large company, where marketing and other 
> >>> non-technical people are kept separate to a great extent.
> >>>
> >>> TLDR; My previous experience does not include a huge amount of 
> >>> collaboration with non-tech people, which skewed my expectations.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Glad you expanded upon your experiences. Let me give you some more 
> >> perspective if I may.
> >>
> >> There's good reason to be concerned about some sort of call-out in 
> >> amount of technical-ness of any individual contributor. We're 
> >> unfortunately in an industry where this practice continues to shove 
> >> women in to a category that's considered "lesser." I'd recommend this article:
> >>
> >> https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/c-is-manly-python-is-for-n00bs-ho
> >> w-false-stereotypes-turn-into-technical-truths
> >>
> >>
> >> Pull quotes that really spoke to me:
> >>   * "A major reason to eradicate these false stereotypes is that they 
> >> perpetuate biases against women."
> >>   * "While those on the outside are still struggling to prove 
> >> themselves, the technically privileged have gone ahead to determine 
> >> what the software that runs our lives should look like."
> >>   * "Judgments about language use, despite being far from ?objective? 
> >> or ?technical,? set up a hierarchy among programmers that 
> >> systematically privileges certain groups."
> >>
> >> I've been more aware of the loss of power or privilege by choosing to 
> >> be in an "other" category since my focus is documentation. It happens 
> >> to be highly technical, but people often overlook or even look down 
>> > upon it as a contribution. Same for "oh you're a database 
> >> administrator" or "oh, you are a web developer." Be very careful if 
> >> you notice you take on those biases because of the industry we work 
> >> in. Our industry is terrible at this categorization and stereotype 
> >> creation, and it shows. We're working on making it better and this conversation is a good starting point.
> >>
> >> Anne
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> In general:
> >>> Tech people engage with tech people as they know the product on a 
> >>> different level to non-technical people. Same goes for non-tech, the 
> >>> marketing guy is not going to want to talk to the kernel engineer 
> >>> when talking about (e.g.) the newest distro, they'll just want to 
> >>> know about a feature at a high level, and not how many lines of code 
> >>> and what algorithms were used to implement the feature.
> >>>
> >>> To address the problem of people being disappointed at meeting a 
> >>> marketing person at a booth:
> >>>     A technical person is going to want to talk tech, and will be 
> >>> expecting technical person (as well as marketing) to be available to 
> >>> answer their technical questions. I'm not saying a marketing person 
> >>> wouldn't be able to answer these, but the tech person would be 
> >>> better qualified to discuss the highly technical stuff, as it would be their area of expertise.
> >>>
> >>> So don't be offended if I want to talk tech with other technical 
> >>> people, and was disappointed that I didn't find as many as I was 
> >>> expecting in the group. Any non-technical person would feel lost in a room of engineers.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Emma
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Intel Shannon Limited
>> >> Registered in Ireland
> >>> Registered Office: Collinstown Industrial Park, Leixlip, County 
> >>> Kildare Registered Number: 308263 Business address: Dromore House, 
> >>> East Park, Shannon, Co. Clare
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Niki Acosta (nikacost) [mailto:nikacost at cisco.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 3:54 PM
> >>> To: Foley, Emma L; women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
> >>>
> >>> This bums me out. Maybe I?m taking this personally, but being 
> >>> ?disappointed" and following that with ?at least 50% of the women I 
> >>> met were in non-technical roles? makes it seem like women (like 
> >>> myself) are somehow less valuable or important because we?re not 
> >>> technical contributors. Perhaps that is not your intent. 
> >>> Nevertheless, I wanted to share some thoughts on this subject, as it?s come up quite a bit.
> >>>
> >>> During a past summit, someone made a comment in a panel that they 
> >>> were ?offended? that someone came to the booth and thought they were 
> >>> ?in marketing.? A few women in the room took offense to that 
> >>> statement, and I understood why. It was as though marketers were 
> >>> somehow less important and less valuable than contributors and 
> >>> developers. A woman in the audience stood up, walked to the mic, and 
> >>> asked folks to stop saying ?they thought I was in marketing like 
> >>> it?s a bad thing.? She was right. That exchange made me realize that 
> >>> subconscious bias exists even amongst women in the same group.
> >>>
> >>> As women, we should support each other!
> >>>
> >>> If it weren?t for the brilliant women (and men) of OpenStack who 
> >>> share their expertise around public relations, social media, 
> >>> marketing, business development, branding, copywriting, 
> >>> communications, analyst relations, event planning, presentation 
> >>> authoring/coaching, and probably a whole lot of other stuff that I?m 
> >>> probably forgetting, what would OpenStack look like? There would be 
> >>> no summit. There would be no Women of OpenStack events. There would 
> >>> be no SuperUser magazine or newsletter.There would be no ?We Are OpenStack? campaign. OpenStack would NOT EXIST.
> >>>
> >>> At then end of each day, we?re all human. We all have different 
> >>> skills, different talents, and different abilities. The cool part is 
> >>> that people from all around the globe are building something that is 
> >>> fundamentally changing humanity< something bigger than ourselves. 
> >>> And while the code and docs are created by technical contributors, 
> >>> the other side of OpenStack keeps that foundation strong and vibrant 
> >>> and growing. And that?s pretty cool.
> >>>
> >>> Apologies if this offended anyone. That definitely was not my 
> >>> intent. My intent is to help us be more inclusive and embrace 
> >>> diversity< no matter what is printed on your badge.
> >>>
> >>> #WeAreOpenStack
> >>>
> >>> Niki Acosta
> >>> Cloud Evangelist
> >>> (t) @nikiacosta
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/3/15, 5:51 AM, "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >I agree, while there was a record number of women attendees , I was 
> >>> >disappointed by the low number of women technical contributors! At 
> >>> >least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles.
> >>> >
> >>> >I did meet some great people there, but I was expecting many more 
> >>> >female ATCs, when there was a big fuss about the large number of 
> >>> >women
> >>> attending.
> >>> >
> >>> >Regards,
> >>> >Emma
>> >> >
> >>> >________________________________________
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:30:08 +0000
> >>> >From: Nithya Ruff <Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com>
> >>> >To: "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>, Amy Marrich
> >>> >        <Amy.Marrich at rackspace.com>, 
> >>> >"women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
> >>> >        <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> >>> >Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
> >>> >Message-ID:
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> ><BL2PR02MB4209D531715A9D9FBB94BD6F62C0 at BL2PR02MB420.namprd02.prod.outlook.
> >>> >com>
> >>> >
> >>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>> >
> >>> >I would like to suggest an agenda item for next week's meeting .  
> >>> >When I retweeted the Women of OpenStack picture, I got a number of 
> >>> >questions on how many of the women in OpenStack are developers contributing code.
> >>> >They want role models in the community.
> >>> > Bitergia is a company that OpenStack foundation uses to create the 
> >>> >stats behind "the state of OpenStack".  Why not work with them on
> >>> getting more
> >>> >information on women contributing patches to the various projects.     I
> >>> >would like to suggest we discuss this next time.
> >>> >
> >>> >Beth, Carol and Jessica - thanks again for your leadership and all 
> >>> >the work that the foundation does - Claire and others to make this 
> >>> >a thriving community.
> >>> >
> >>> >Thank You,
> >>> >Nithya A. Ruff,  Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office WIN 
> >>> >Board Member SanDisk Corporation
> >>> >951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
> >>> >T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
> >>> >Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com<mailto:Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com>        Twitter:
> >>> >@nithyaruff<https://twitter.com/nithyaruff>
> >>> >
> >>> >_______________________________________________
> >>> >Women-of-openstack mailing list
> >>> >Women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> >>> >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openst
> >>> >ack
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Anne Gentle
> >> Rackspace
> >> Principal Engineer
> >> www.justwriteclick.com
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>
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> Anne Gentle
> Rackspace
> Principal Engineer
> www.justwriteclick.com
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