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It's quite accurate, as I came up with both genders. :)

Obviously, this is going to struggle a bit with those somewhat ambiguous
names, along with A Boy Named Sue.

Sorry, my sense of humor is this way 24/7. It has nothing to do with lack
of coffee.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Foley, Emma L <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
wrote:

> Maybe this could be of help: http://blog.namsor.com/api/
> The API can determine gender with a high level of accuracy based on first
> and last name.
> Who owns the gender guessing script at the moment? Maybe this can be
> incorporated into it.
>
> Regards,
> Emma
>
> -----------------
>
> > Have to change the thread since I'm a word nerd. :)
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Claire Delcourt <
> claire at nuagenetworks.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think the intend was to say that the SW developers are the
> > > only real contributors (besides I personally don't think that SW
> > > developer is the only technical role in the OpenStack community).
> > >
> > > If I understand correctly the various reactions, it is a matter of
> > > rephrasing the question to something like  "how many SW developers are
> > > female developers?".  That is a valid question to me, and more
> > > generally having statistics about the various roles that the women of
> > > OpenStack have in the community is interesting.
> > >
> >
> > The answer is more complex than you might imagine. We've used some
> scripts since 2013 or so, with a gender-guessing algorithm based on first
> name. It isn't very > accurate for our community because it was using US
> census data to match names to gender, for example. [1]
> >
> > Using something like Stackalytics REST API and a Python script with
> again, the gender guesser that I don't like, shows there are more unknown
> genders than men, > based on name guessing. [2]
>
> > Liberty:
> > females: 157
> > males: 870
> > unknown: 985
> >
> > Kilo:
> > females: 135
> > males: 778
> > unknown: 829
> >
> > I don't really like any of these counting devices because it's ignoring,
> say, Asian and Indian first-name-gender-guessing, and diversity means
> diversity across many > viewpoints.
> >
> > I'll also note that for me, event attendance is a poor counting device
> for activity of women and minorities especially, since it can be more
> difficult to achieve escape > velocity for various reasons, caretaking,
> budgeting, location proximity, shifting priorities, and so on.
> >
> > I hope that info gives you a little more background. Please tell me if
> I'm incorrect in any of the explanations. This is a good discussion, thanks
> for having it.
> >
> > Anne
> >
> > 1.
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007288.html
> > 2. https://github.com/openfly/openstack-gender
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Claire
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Anne Gentle
> > > <annegentle at justwriteclick.com
> >  > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Foley, Emma L
> > >> <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I have nothing against non-technical people, and I meant no offence,
> > >>> but I'm looking at it from a different point-of-view than you are.
> > >>> Maybe my view is skewed, as the majority of the men I met were
> > >>> technical, and it seemed that the majority of the women I met were
> > >>> not technical. I got the feeling that technical women were highly
> > >>> underrepresented at the summit. I don't know what the over-all
> > >>> statistics were for technical/non-technical male/female overall, but
> > >>> I just saw the women as a majority non-technical group, and while
> > >>> there's nothing wrong with that, it would leave me feeling that
> > >>> being a technical women puts me in much more of a minority than I
> thought. i.e. I was expecting to find women in a similar role to myself.
> > >>>
> > >>> It might also be to do with the fact that I expected a lot more
> > >>> technical people overall, as that is where I'm coming from, working
> > >>> in a technical team in a large company, where marketing and other
> > >>> non-technical people are kept separate to a great extent.
> > >>>
> > >>> TLDR; My previous experience does not include a huge amount of
> > >>> collaboration with non-tech people, which skewed my expectations.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Glad you expanded upon your experiences. Let me give you some more
> > >> perspective if I may.
> > >>
> > >> There's good reason to be concerned about some sort of call-out in
> > >> amount of technical-ness of any individual contributor. We're
> > >> unfortunately in an industry where this practice continues to shove
> > >> women in to a category that's considered "lesser." I'd recommend this
> article:
> > >>
> > >> https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/c-is-manly-python-is-for-n00bs-ho
> > >> w-false-stereotypes-turn-into-technical-truths
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Pull quotes that really spoke to me:
> > >>   * "A major reason to eradicate these false stereotypes is that they
> > >> perpetuate biases against women."
> > >>   * "While those on the outside are still struggling to prove
> > >> themselves, the technically privileged have gone ahead to determine
> > >> what the software that runs our lives should look like."
> > >>   * "Judgments about language use, despite being far from ?objective?
> > >> or ?technical,? set up a hierarchy among programmers that
> > >> systematically privileges certain groups."
> > >>
> > >> I've been more aware of the loss of power or privilege by choosing to
> > >> be in an "other" category since my focus is documentation. It happens
> > >> to be highly technical, but people often overlook or even look down
> >> > upon it as a contribution. Same for "oh you're a database
> > >> administrator" or "oh, you are a web developer." Be very careful if
> > >> you notice you take on those biases because of the industry we work
> > >> in. Our industry is terrible at this categorization and stereotype
> > >> creation, and it shows. We're working on making it better and this
> conversation is a good starting point.
> > >>
> > >> Anne
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> In general:
> > >>> Tech people engage with tech people as they know the product on a
> > >>> different level to non-technical people. Same goes for non-tech, the
> > >>> marketing guy is not going to want to talk to the kernel engineer
> > >>> when talking about (e.g.) the newest distro, they'll just want to
> > >>> know about a feature at a high level, and not how many lines of code
> > >>> and what algorithms were used to implement the feature.
> > >>>
> > >>> To address the problem of people being disappointed at meeting a
> > >>> marketing person at a booth:
> > >>>     A technical person is going to want to talk tech, and will be
> > >>> expecting technical person (as well as marketing) to be available to
> > >>> answer their technical questions. I'm not saying a marketing person
> > >>> wouldn't be able to answer these, but the tech person would be
> > >>> better qualified to discuss the highly technical stuff, as it would
> be their area of expertise.
> > >>>
> > >>> So don't be offended if I want to talk tech with other technical
> > >>> people, and was disappointed that I didn't find as many as I was
> > >>> expecting in the group. Any non-technical person would feel lost in
> a room of engineers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Emma
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Intel Shannon Limited
> >> >> Registered in Ireland
> > >>> Registered Office: Collinstown Industrial Park, Leixlip, County
> > >>> Kildare Registered Number: 308263 Business address: Dromore House,
> > >>> East Park, Shannon, Co. Clare
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Niki Acosta (nikacost) [mailto:nikacost at cisco.com]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 3:54 PM
> > >>> To: Foley, Emma L; women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
> > >>>
> > >>> This bums me out. Maybe I?m taking this personally, but being
> > >>> ?disappointed" and following that with ?at least 50% of the women I
> > >>> met were in non-technical roles? makes it seem like women (like
> > >>> myself) are somehow less valuable or important because we?re not
> > >>> technical contributors. Perhaps that is not your intent.
> > >>> Nevertheless, I wanted to share some thoughts on this subject, as
> it?s come up quite a bit.
> > >>>
> > >>> During a past summit, someone made a comment in a panel that they
> > >>> were ?offended? that someone came to the booth and thought they were
> > >>> ?in marketing.? A few women in the room took offense to that
> > >>> statement, and I understood why. It was as though marketers were
> > >>> somehow less important and less valuable than contributors and
> > >>> developers. A woman in the audience stood up, walked to the mic, and
> > >>> asked folks to stop saying ?they thought I was in marketing like
> > >>> it?s a bad thing.? She was right. That exchange made me realize that
> > >>> subconscious bias exists even amongst women in the same group.
> > >>>
> > >>> As women, we should support each other!
> > >>>
> > >>> If it weren?t for the brilliant women (and men) of OpenStack who
> > >>> share their expertise around public relations, social media,
> > >>> marketing, business development, branding, copywriting,
> > >>> communications, analyst relations, event planning, presentation
> > >>> authoring/coaching, and probably a whole lot of other stuff that I?m
> > >>> probably forgetting, what would OpenStack look like? There would be
> > >>> no summit. There would be no Women of OpenStack events. There would
> > >>> be no SuperUser magazine or newsletter.There would be no ?We Are
> OpenStack? campaign. OpenStack would NOT EXIST.
> > >>>
> > >>> At then end of each day, we?re all human. We all have different
> > >>> skills, different talents, and different abilities. The cool part is
> > >>> that people from all around the globe are building something that is
> > >>> fundamentally changing humanity< something bigger than ourselves.
> > >>> And while the code and docs are created by technical contributors,
> > >>> the other side of OpenStack keeps that foundation strong and vibrant
> > >>> and growing. And that?s pretty cool.
> > >>>
> > >>> Apologies if this offended anyone. That definitely was not my
> > >>> intent. My intent is to help us be more inclusive and embrace
> > >>> diversity< no matter what is printed on your badge.
> > >>>
> > >>> #WeAreOpenStack
> > >>>
> > >>> Niki Acosta
> > >>> Cloud Evangelist
> > >>> (t) @nikiacosta
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/3/15, 5:51 AM, "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >I agree, while there was a record number of women attendees , I was
> > >>> >disappointed by the low number of women technical contributors! At
> > >>> >least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I did meet some great people there, but I was expecting many more
> > >>> >female ATCs, when there was a big fuss about the large number of
> > >>> >women
> > >>> attending.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Regards,
> > >>> >Emma
> >> >> >
> > >>> >________________________________________
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:30:08 +0000
> > >>> >From: Nithya Ruff <Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com>
> > >>> >To: "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>, Amy Marrich
> > >>> >        <Amy.Marrich at rackspace.com>,
> > >>> >"women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
> > >>> >        <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
> > >>> >Message-ID:
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ><BL2PR02MB4209D531715A9D9FBB94BD6F62C0 at BL2PR02MB420.namprd02.prod.outlook.
> > >>> >com>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I would like to suggest an agenda item for next week's meeting .
> > >>> >When I retweeted the Women of OpenStack picture, I got a number of
> > >>> >questions on how many of the women in OpenStack are developers
> contributing code.
> > >>> >They want role models in the community.
> > >>> > Bitergia is a company that OpenStack foundation uses to create the
> > >>> >stats behind "the state of OpenStack".  Why not work with them on
> > >>> getting more
> > >>> >information on women contributing patches to the various projects.
>    I
> > >>> >would like to suggest we discuss this next time.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Beth, Carol and Jessica - thanks again for your leadership and all
> > >>> >the work that the foundation does - Claire and others to make this
> > >>> >a thriving community.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Thank You,
> > >>> >Nithya A. Ruff,  Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office WIN
> > >>> >Board Member SanDisk Corporation
> > >>> >951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
> > >>> >T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
> > >>> >Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com<mailto:Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com>
> Twitter:
> > >>> >@nithyaruff<https://twitter.com/nithyaruff>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >_______________________________________________
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> > >>> >ack
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Anne Gentle
> > >> Rackspace
> > >> Principal Engineer
> > >> www.justwriteclick.com
> > >>
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> > >> k
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anne Gentle
> > Rackspace
> > Principal Engineer
> > www.justwriteclick.com
> >
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