[openstack-tc] Discussion about a new umbrella / project for consumer / user experience
doug.hellmann at dreamhost.com
Fri Jan 24 19:30:14 UTC 2014
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Anne Gentle <anne at openstack.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Doug Hellmann <
> doug.hellmann at dreamhost.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org>wrote:
>>> Jesse Noller wrote:
>>> > [...]
>>> > Given the schism in audiences, it looks like Horizon, this project, a
>>> unified CLI project and management of the individual CLI tools would fall
>>> under a Consumer / User Experience umbrella.
>>> > If you look at the governance setup:
>>> > http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/commit/
>>> > It seems to make sense that the UX proposal potentially be revived;
>>> but have actionable items under 3-4 sub teams:
>>> > 1: Unified SDK / Consumer-Developer tools
>>> > 2: Unified Client tools (CLI)
>>> > 3: Horizon (UI)
>>> > 4: Security
>>> > 5: i18n
>>> A few remarks...
>>> I agree that the current CLI / developer experience is sub-optimal. From
>>> an organizational perspective, I think we can blame having the client
>>> libraries attached to each corresponding project's program, and having
>>> no clear home for the common client efforts.
>>> So I'd definitely welcome a team working on that, and would also
>>> definitely consider placing the existing client libraries under that
>>> umbrella if that group is willing to maintain them.
>>> But there are two key things to take into account.
>>> (1) Teams should exist first
>>> You can mandate anything you want, in the end if nobody is doing the
>>> work you won't get anywhere. That's why in OpenStack we took the view of
>>> letting teams spontaneously form rather than mandating that they exist,
>>> or rather then having them ask for permission first. A lot of people
>>> have been talking about CLI work in the past, but they never formed a
>>> team. The first step here is to gather the group of people interested in
>>> that topic and self-organize.
>>> (2) Teams scope should match what they work on
>>> There is no point in defining a scope if it doesn't match an existing
>>> team's focus. Yes, from an organizational perspective it makes sense to
>>> have Horizon and CLI folks in the same group, but if those end up being
>>> two separate subgroups working on those two sub-aspects, then two
>>> separate teams make a lot more sense.
>>> In summary, I'd really like we have a team working on unified CLI. But
>>> me saying it won't make it happen. A group of people working on that
>>> will make it happen. That group should form, self-organize, and start
>>> working on stuff. If the overlap between that team and another existing
>>> team is very large, then it will make sense for them to regroup. If not,
>>> they should exist as a separate team. Once that team starts producing
>>> outputs, it can apply to be recognized as an official program (which
>>> would make a lot of sense to me).
>> When it rains it pours.
>> I was speaking with Dean Troyer earlier today about putting together an
>> incubation request for an SDK program to hose the unified CLI (as a
>> scripting SDK) and client libraries (starting with python and expanding to
>> other languages later). There is already a group building the CLI (led by
>> Dean), and many of the people working on that are also interested in the
>> client libraries issue (along with many new contributors such as Jesse).
>> Since the CLI work is at a point where we think it's ready to be considered
>> for incubation, I suggested that Dean look into whether he would be able to
>> take the time to lead up the effort to create the program as part of
>> finding a proper home for the CLI. If he can't, we'll find someone else
>> from the group.
> Dean Troyer is already PTL of Devstack, so let's spread out this work a
> bit if possible.
> Jesse, do these answers help you get the big picture and identify a home
> for the CLI efforts?
>>> Thierry Carrez (ttx)
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