[Openstack-operators] New to Open Stack - shutdown vs terminate

Tom Fifield fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au
Tue Jul 5 12:36:12 UTC 2011


Hi,

Thanks for your reply!

I'm dealing with a lot of users who expect the same style as Amazon, 
which as I mentioned below is that within a guest VM 'shutdown -h now' 
is like saying "I don't want this instance anymore". This is the 
'terminate' state for guest VMs, hence the cron to clean it up.

Good point about recovery from nova-compute host issues though. We only 
want to terminate instances that have been taken down by the user, 
rather than ourselves ;)

Regards,

Tom

On 07/05/2011 10:29 PM, Leandro Reox wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I dont know if croning the "Terminate" for instances in "shutdown" state
> is a good idea, after a Physical node restart the instances running in
> that node stays in shutdown mode after the node comes back, you can
> "re-awake" them by issuing nova reboot, maybe a cleaner an usefull
> script will try to "reboot" the instance and if doest succeed terminate
> them, just an idea.
>
> Regards
> Lele
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Tom Fifield <fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au
> <mailto:fifieldt at unimelb.edu.au>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Echoing this request - it's very handy on Amazon EC2 when a shutdown
>     -h now command results in instance termination.
>
>     Is there a reason for the difference in OpenStack, or is this just
>     how it was implemented? :)
>
>
>     I'd probably be writing a cron script to look at the database to
>     'terminate' instances in 'shutdown' state and thereby freeing their
>     resources...
>
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Tom
>
>
>     On 07/03/2011 11:44 PM, Terry.Rankine at csiro.au wrote:
>
>         Wont it need my EC2 credentials on the VM then?
>
>         The credentials used to start the VM are not stored on the VM. I
>         guess I can pass them in via the start-up string, but I would
>         prefer if there was another way.
>
>         Any other thoughts?
>
>         Terry
>         __________________________________
>         From: Mike Marrotte [marrotte at gmail.com <mailto:marrotte at gmail.com>]
>         Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011 7:47 PM
>         To: Rankine, Terry (CESRE, Kensington)
>         Cc:<openstack-operators at lists.__openstack.org
>         <mailto:openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>>
>         Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] New to Open Stack - shutdown
>         vs terminate
>
>         Sure. Just install the euca2ools on the guest and write a script.
>
>         Sent from my iPhone
>
>         On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:07
>         AM,<Terry.Rankine at csiro.au<__mailto:Terry.Rankine at csiro.au
>         <mailto:Terry.Rankine at csiro.au>>__> wrote:
>
>         Hi Guys
>         I am building an ‘worker image’ for an on-demand specific
>         ‘compute this’ workflow.
>         The image is totally aware of its success or failure of the
>         ‘compute this’ task, and uploads its output back to S3 storage.
>         Since the VM is the best thing to know about success/failure, I
>         figure it should also be the right thing to determine its end of
>         life (shutdown-dont destroy on failure for debugging, and
>         shutdown-terminate-release on success).
>         I would like it to automatically shutdown (and terminate
>         releasing all resources it held – public IP etc) on success, and
>         I would like the VM itself be able to do this. A ‘shutdown –h
>         now’ put the image into shutdown mode, but not terminated and
>         never released the held resources.
>         Is it possible for the VM to ‘shutdown and terminate’ itself?
>         Terry
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