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Deepti, are you available to work on testing, patching, and reviewing the
OpenStack Install Guide for RHEL/Fedora/Centos? We already publish it to
/juno but are hoping to cut a stable branch either this week or after the
Summit (say, 11/8).

Matt, sounds like earlier access to the staged packages will be best for
the future. You sound burned out, so it might be better to shift gears and
take your time next week. Up to you.

Thanks Steve for the prompt responses and explanations.

Thanks,
Anne

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matt Kassawara <mkassawara at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I checked the RDO repository almost every day since release and didn't see
> release packages until the e-mail announcement. Maybe they weren't publicly
> visible? Anyway, given at least four installation permutations with RDO
> packages, I would appreciate any help testing the installation guide as
> soon as packages become available for a particular release. With any luck,
> we can reduce the delay between official release and a stable installation
> guide.
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
>> >
>> > Several of the core service packages skipped RC1 and went from
>> milestone 3
>> > to RC2. I generally avoid mixing packages with a difference of more than
>> > one milestone/RC version... especially milestones given significant
>> changes
>> > to the services.
>>
>> I understand that practice when it comes to the milestone builds, but I
>> don't think it really makes sense when it comes to the RCs. Either way, we
>> had packaged builds of the final release available on the 22nd/23rd. This
>> probably went under the radar as we held off on the formal announcement,
>> but nobody asked me about it so I didn't realize that the formal email was
>> a blocker for docs.
>>
>> > P.S. - Does anyone from RH work on the installation guide these days?
>>
>> Deepti is available to work on upstream guides, I think when she had
>> discussed priorities with Anne the main ones that came up were identity
>> federation and some other keystone issues that she has been trying to work
>> on. If you need assistance feel free to ask her for help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
>> > > > To: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
>> > > > > To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > While OpenStack RC code often sufficiently tests services,
>> packaging
>> > > > > concerns such as dependencies and default configuration options
>> tend
>> > > to lag
>> > > > > by one or more milestone/RC cycles. The RDO repository only
>> contained
>> > > > > milestone 3 packages until just prior to the official release of
>> Juno
>> > > when
>> > > > > RC2 packages appeared in it.
>> > > >
>> > > > RC2 tarballs themselves only became available just prior to the
>> official
>> > > > release (e.g. Oct 9th for Cinder, Oct 10th for Neutron) and were
>> put into
>> > > > the repo on the 13th. The gap between RC1 tarballs being available
>> and
>> > > being
>> > > > put in the repo was similar.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Testing packages (even just the core services), writing patches,
>> > > reviewing
>> > > > > patches, and general time allocation
>> > > > > issues can delay a functional installation guide by a week or more
>> > > beyond
>> > > > > the package release date. Furthermore, the RDO packages require
>> > > testing on
>> > > > > RHEL/CentOS and Fedora plus the neutron and nova-network
>> variations. I
>> > > > > would like to provide users with a mostly functional installation
>> > > guide on
>> > > > > the official release date which would require availability of at
>> least
>> > > RC
>> > > > > packages at least one week prior to the official release date.
>> > > > > release packages becoming available yesterday afternoon and the
>> plan
>> > > to cut
>> > > > > juno/stable for openstack-manuals tomorrow gives us about one day
>> to
>> > > > > install the packages on two distributions each with two variants,
>> > > determine
>> > > > > the issues, write patches, test them, and run them through the
>> review
>> > > > > process before all changes involve backports.
>> > > >
>> > > > As a result of user feedback from previous test days we stage and
>> test
>> > > the
>> > > > RDO packages to ensure basic sanity before putting them into the
>> repo,
>> > > this
>> > > > takes time but ensures that we have at least some level of
>> confidence in
>> > > the
>> > > > packages being deployed and avoids user frustration caused by basic
>> > > issues
>> > > > that can be easily prevented. If you wish to access the staged
>> packages
>> > > in
>> > > > future while they are still undergoing testing, just ask (they are
>> > > public,
>> > > > just not in the main repo).
>> > >
>> > > Going back through the repo [1] we pushed builds based on the final
>> > > release into the repo on the 22nd/23rd and held off formally
>> announcing
>> > > while we fixed a few more bugs over the weekend.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Steve
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > >
>> https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-juno/epel-7/?C=M;O=A
>> > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > To: "Anne Gentle" <anne at openstack.org>
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If other reasons (outside of the installation guide) exist to
>> move
>> > > it
>> > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > the 29th rather than wait until after the summit, I can
>> deal... but
>> > > > > > > backporting patches for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora will take more
>> time and
>> > > > > > effort.
>> > > > > > > Not our fault RDO can't push release packages out in a
>> reasonable
>> > > > > > > amount
>> > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > time.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Can you elaborate on what's reasonable so we can endeavour to
>> > > accommodate
>> > > > > > in future? Our aim this time around was for +2 weeks on upstream
>> > > release
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > allow some level of smoke testing to occur, despite that M-3
>> and RC
>> > > > > > packages that could have been used were available leading up to
>> this.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We've been communicating this to users @
>> > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Steve
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Anne Gentle <
>> anne at openstack.org>
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Matt Kassawara
>> > > > > > > > <mkassawara at gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> The RDO Juno release packages for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora only
>> became
>> > > > > > > >> available today [1] which leaves very little time for
>> testing
>> > > and
>> > > > > > patching
>> > > > > > > >> the installation guide prior to cutting juno/stable for
>> > > > > > openstack-manuals
>> > > > > > > >> on the 29th. Can we push it out a day or two?
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I think if we don't do the 29th it'll be after Nov 7th due
>> to
>> > > > > > > > Andreas's
>> > > > > > > > and my travel schedules, is that an okay solution?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> [1]
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> https://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/992/rdo-juno-packages-available
>> > > > > > > >>
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>> > > > > > Steve Gordon, RHCE
>> > > > > > Sr. Technical Product Manager,
>> > > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
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