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I checked the RDO repository almost every day since release and didn't see
release packages until the e-mail announcement. Maybe they weren't publicly
visible? Anyway, given at least four installation permutations with RDO
packages, I would appreciate any help testing the installation guide as
soon as packages become available for a particular release. With any luck,
we can reduce the delay between official release and a stable installation
guide.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> >
> > Several of the core service packages skipped RC1 and went from milestone
> 3
> > to RC2. I generally avoid mixing packages with a difference of more than
> > one milestone/RC version... especially milestones given significant
> changes
> > to the services.
>
> I understand that practice when it comes to the milestone builds, but I
> don't think it really makes sense when it comes to the RCs. Either way, we
> had packaged builds of the final release available on the 22nd/23rd. This
> probably went under the radar as we held off on the formal announcement,
> but nobody asked me about it so I didn't realize that the formal email was
> a blocker for docs.
>
> > P.S. - Does anyone from RH work on the installation guide these days?
>
> Deepti is available to work on upstream guides, I think when she had
> discussed priorities with Anne the main ones that came up were identity
> federation and some other keystone issues that she has been trying to work
> on. If you need assistance feel free to ask her for help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> > > > To: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > While OpenStack RC code often sufficiently tests services,
> packaging
> > > > > concerns such as dependencies and default configuration options
> tend
> > > to lag
> > > > > by one or more milestone/RC cycles. The RDO repository only
> contained
> > > > > milestone 3 packages until just prior to the official release of
> Juno
> > > when
> > > > > RC2 packages appeared in it.
> > > >
> > > > RC2 tarballs themselves only became available just prior to the
> official
> > > > release (e.g. Oct 9th for Cinder, Oct 10th for Neutron) and were put
> into
> > > > the repo on the 13th. The gap between RC1 tarballs being available
> and
> > > being
> > > > put in the repo was similar.
> > > >
> > > > > Testing packages (even just the core services), writing patches,
> > > reviewing
> > > > > patches, and general time allocation
> > > > > issues can delay a functional installation guide by a week or more
> > > beyond
> > > > > the package release date. Furthermore, the RDO packages require
> > > testing on
> > > > > RHEL/CentOS and Fedora plus the neutron and nova-network
> variations. I
> > > > > would like to provide users with a mostly functional installation
> > > guide on
> > > > > the official release date which would require availability of at
> least
> > > RC
> > > > > packages at least one week prior to the official release date.
> > > > > release packages becoming available yesterday afternoon and the
> plan
> > > to cut
> > > > > juno/stable for openstack-manuals tomorrow gives us about one day
> to
> > > > > install the packages on two distributions each with two variants,
> > > determine
> > > > > the issues, write patches, test them, and run them through the
> review
> > > > > process before all changes involve backports.
> > > >
> > > > As a result of user feedback from previous test days we stage and
> test
> > > the
> > > > RDO packages to ensure basic sanity before putting them into the
> repo,
> > > this
> > > > takes time but ensures that we have at least some level of
> confidence in
> > > the
> > > > packages being deployed and avoids user frustration caused by basic
> > > issues
> > > > that can be easily prevented. If you wish to access the staged
> packages
> > > in
> > > > future while they are still undergoing testing, just ask (they are
> > > public,
> > > > just not in the main repo).
> > >
> > > Going back through the repo [1] we pushed builds based on the final
> > > release into the repo on the 22nd/23rd and held off formally announcing
> > > while we fixed a few more bugs over the weekend.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-juno/epel-7/?C=M;O=A
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Anne Gentle" <anne at openstack.org>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If other reasons (outside of the installation guide) exist to
> move
> > > it
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > the 29th rather than wait until after the summit, I can
> deal... but
> > > > > > > backporting patches for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora will take more time
> and
> > > > > > effort.
> > > > > > > Not our fault RDO can't push release packages out in a
> reasonable
> > > > > > > amount
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you elaborate on what's reasonable so we can endeavour to
> > > accommodate
> > > > > > in future? Our aim this time around was for +2 weeks on upstream
> > > release
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > allow some level of smoke testing to occur, despite that M-3 and
> RC
> > > > > > packages that could have been used were available leading up to
> this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We've been communicating this to users @
> > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Anne Gentle <
> anne at openstack.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Matt Kassawara
> > > > > > > > <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> The RDO Juno release packages for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora only
> became
> > > > > > > >> available today [1] which leaves very little time for
> testing
> > > and
> > > > > > patching
> > > > > > > >> the installation guide prior to cutting juno/stable for
> > > > > > openstack-manuals
> > > > > > > >> on the 29th. Can we push it out a day or two?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think if we don't do the 29th it'll be after Nov 7th due to
> > > > > > > > Andreas's
> > > > > > > > and my travel schedules, is that an okay solution?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> [1]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/992/rdo-juno-packages-available
> > > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Steve Gordon, RHCE
> > > > > > Sr. Technical Product Manager,
> > > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
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> Steve Gordon, RHCE
> Sr. Technical Product Manager,
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
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