Open Stack

Yes Jeremy actually did an amazing job, agree with all the positive
comments above.

Chris

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:50 AM Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:

> Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> writes:
>
> > First, I want to thank everyone here for the remarkably smooth
> > transition to openstack-discuss at the end of November. It's been
> > exactly one month today since we shuttered the old openstack,
> > openstack-dev, openstack-operators and openstack-sigs mailing lists
> > and forwarded all subsequent posts for them to the new list address
> > instead. The number of posts from non-subscribers has dwindled to
> > the point where it's now only a few each day (many of whom also
> > subscribe immediately after receiving the moderation autoresponse).
> >
> > As of this moment, we're up to 708 subscribers. Unfortunately it's
> > hard to compare raw subscriber counts because the longer a list is
> > in existence the more dead addresses it accumulates. Mailman does
> > its best to unsubscribe addresses which explicitly reject/bounce
> > multiple messages in a row, but these days many E-mail addresses
> > grow defunct without triggering any NDRs (perhaps because they've
> > simply been abandoned, or because their MTAs just blackhole new
> > messages for deleted accounts). Instead, it's a lot more concrete to
> > analyze active participants on mailing lists, especially since ours
> > are consistently configured to require a subscription if you want to
> > avoid your messages getting stuck in the moderation queue.
> >
> > Over the course of 2018 (at least until the lists were closed on
> > December 3) there were 1075 unique E-mail addresses posting to one
> > of more of the openstack, openstack-dev, openstack-operators and
> > openstack-sigs mailing lists. Now, a lot of those people sent one or
> > maybe a handful of messages to ask some question they had, and then
> > disappeared again... they didn't really follow ongoing discussions,
> > so probably won't subscribe to openstack-discuss until they have
> > something new to bring up.
> >
> > On the other hand, if we look at addresses which sent 10 or more
> > messages in 2018 (an arbitrary threshold admittedly), there were
> > 245. Comparing those to the list of addresses subscribed to
> > openstack-discuss today, there are 173 matches. That means we now
> > have *at least* 70% of the people who sent 10 or more messages to
> > the old lists subscribed to the new one. I say "at least" because we
> > don't have an easy way to track address changes, and even if we did
> > that's never going to get us to 100% because there are always going
> > to be people who leave the lists abruptly for various reasons
> > (perhaps even disappearing from our community entirely). Seems like
> > a good place to be after only one month, especially considering the
> > number of folks who may not have even been paying attention at all
> > during end-of-year holidays.
> >
> > As for message volume, we had a total of 912 posts to
> > openstack-discuss in the month of December; comparing to the 1033
> > posts in total we saw to the four old lists in December of 2017,
> > that's a 12% drop. Consider, though, that right at 10% of the
> > messages on the old lists were duplicates from cross-posting, so
> > that's really more like a 2% drop in actual (deduplicated) posting
> > volume. It's far less of a reduction than I would have anticipated
> > based on year-over-year comparisons (for example, December of 2016
> > had 1564 posts across those four lists). I think based on this, it's
> > safe to say the transition to openstack-discuss hasn't hampered
> > discussion, at least for its first full month in use.
> > --
> > Jeremy Stanley
>
> Thank you, Jeremy, both for producing those reassuring stats and for
> managing the transition. The change has been much less disruptive than I
> was worried it would be (even though I considered it necessary from the
> start) and much of the credit for that goes to you for the careful way
> you have planned and implemented the merge. Nice job!
>
> --
> Doug
>
>

-- 
Chris Morgan <mihalis68 at gmail.com>
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