[openstack-dev] [tc] [all] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

Jeremy Stanley fungi at yuggoth.org
Mon May 8 20:18:35 UTC 2017

On 2017-05-08 11:24:00 -0600 (-0600), Octave J. Orgeron wrote:
> none of those products that those drivers are written for are open
> sourced and they meet less resistance to committing code upstream.
> So I have to call BS on your comment that the community can't work
> with us because Solaris isn't open sourced.

Totally not what I said.

My point was that constantly reminding management of one of the
primary sources of friction might help. Working with free software
communities becomes easier when you don't outright reject their
values by deciding to cancel your open version of the thing you want
them to help you support.

> Now for Oracle, we definitely need more 3rd party CI to make it
> easier to test our drivers, components, and patches against so
> that it's easier for the community to validate things. However, it
> takes time, resources, and money to make that happen. Hopefully
> that will get sorted out over time.

And _this_ was entirely the rest of my point, yes. Your needs seem
quite similar to to those of VMWare, XenServer and HyperV, so I
fully expect Nova's core reviewers will hold Solaris support patches
to the same validation requirements. We can't run Solaris in our
upstream testing for the same reasons we can't run those other
examples (they're not free software), so the onus is on the vendor
to satisfy this need for continuous testing and reporting instead.

> But even if we make all of the investments in setting that up, we
> still need the upstream teams to come to the table and not shun us
> away just because we are Oracle :)

Smiley or no, the assertion that our quality assurance choices are
based on personal preference for some particular company over
another is still mildly offensive.
Jeremy Stanley
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