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Excerpts from Hayes, Graham's message of 2017-03-07 14:19:02 +0000:
> On 07/03/2017 13:22, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Anyone interested? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/go-and-containers
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dims
> >
> 
> The first thing that is required (according to the new guidelines) is
> for there to be a technical reason we need to use go, and cannot use
> python. [0]
> 
> This was the major point thrown at designate when we asked for
> permission - if there is now a golang project for the sake of
> a golang project, that would seem at odds with these (brand new)
> requirements.
> 
> The only item in the linked etherpad that would fit that requirement
> is the Go Common Lib, which is a requirement for any project who wants
> to use go.
> 
> Do we want to allow projects innovate, or do we just want Golang in
> OpenStack now? I honestly cannot follow what is going on in this area.
> 

There's a nasty assumption wrapped in that sentence that isn't quite
fair. We've always wanted projects to innovate, but the choice of common
language was entirely designed to put people in a box that was easier
for operators to consume and debug.

I don't see an actual real problem statement that takes operators and
users into account in that etherpad*. IMO language bindings is a red
herring, we have REST API's and they're not so bad that they have to
be wrapped in convenience libs *cough*OaktreeShade*cough*.

I'd really like to see *users* and/or *operators* be the focus of any
efforts around Golang, or Lisp, or anything else we ship.

Designate felt that the operators were better served by a Golang
transfer daemon (IIRC). Hummingbird was created by Swift operators to
deal with their IO concurrency problems. I _like_ those efforts (now
that I understand them, which was not easy). But the etherpad kind of
reads to me like "let's make Go things because container things".. maybe
somebody can explain it to me like I'm 5?


* Kolla is a deployment project, and imo, can do Golang the same way
  openstack-ansible does ansible and puppet does puppet.