[openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

Matthew Thode prometheanfire at gentoo.org
Fri Apr 8 21:57:34 UTC 2016

On 04/08/2016 03:16 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/08/2016 07:47 PM, Matthew Thode wrote:
>> On 04/08/2016 11:47 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>> Another thing is that the Debian packages are the only ones available
>>> for many services, as Canonical doesn't work on them (these packages are
>>> just sync from Debian, at best). So we'd be effectively removing the
>>> only OS where it can be installed.
>> Saying that it's the only OS where some packages can be installed is not
>> nice to the other packagers /s
>> -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)
> I'm not trying to attack any other package maintainer. I get on well
> with all of them. Those I know: Corey & David from Canonical, Haikel,
> Alan and Mathias from RedHat / RDO.
> I'm very sorry that I don't know the Gentoo people. Are you going to Austin?
> Now, what you wrote made me investigate.
> Because I discussed it with Canonical package maintainers to get these
> synced from Debian to Ubuntu, I know this list of package available in
> Debian, and either not available in Ubuntu, or synced from the Debian
> packages:
>   *  congress
>   *  gnocchi
>   *  magnum
>   *  mistral
>   *  murano
>   *  sahara
>   *  senlin
>   *  zaqar
> A quick search on packages.gentoo.org shows no results for them, so I
> don't think it's there (let me know if I'm wrong).
> In this list above, Congress, Murano and Senlin aren't packaged in RDO.
> The others are there, seemingly (I didn't search for too long).
> So yeah, some packages really are only available in Debian, at least for
> this Mitaka release.
> The point here isn't to make me (or Debian) look better. It is to say
> it's important to have Debian documented in the install-guide. This came
> truth today, when a Magnum contributor asked me about contributing to
> the install-guide. He's the one who pointed to Matthew's commit removing
> my contributions to the install-guide.
> I strongly believe the install-guide should follow the all-inclusive, in
> big-tentish spirit that we currently have. Rejection of contributions
> isn't welcome. And by the way, RedHat / RDO people didn't enjoy much the
> removal of their distro just before the Liberty release. This is a very
> dangerous slope. If one don't care about Debian and it's removal from
> the install-guide, probably this someone cares about the wrong spirit,
> and the "we decide what goes in" atmosphere who's been in the doc team
> for the last few years.
> Cheers,
> Thomas Goirand (zigo)
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Sorry it didn't come across as a joke, but that's what the '/s' was for.
 I will be at summit in Austin at a bunch of the cross project stuff
along with openstack-ansible stuff though.

-- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)

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