[openstack-dev] The Evolution of core developer to maintainer?
mordred at inaugust.com
Wed Apr 1 12:14:56 UTC 2015
On 04/01/2015 05:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Joe Gordon wrote:
>> I am starting this thread based on Thierry's feedback on . Instead
>> of writing the same thing twice, you can look at the rendered html from
>> that patch . Neutron tried to go from core to maintainer but after
>> input from the TC and others, they are keeping the term 'core' but are
>> clarifying what it means to be a neutron core .  does a very good
>> job of showing how what it means to be core is evolving. From
>> "everyone is a dev and everyone is a reviewer. No committers or repo
>> owners, no aristocracy. Some people just commit to do a lot of
>> reviewing and keep current with the code, and have votes that matter
>> more (+2)." (Theirry)
>> To a system where cores are more then people who have votes that matter
>> more. Neutron's proposal tries to align that document with what is
>> already happening.
>> 1. They share responsibility in the project's success.
>> 2. They have made a long-term, recurring time investment to improve
>> the project.
>> 3. They spend their time doing what needs to be done to ensure the
>> projects success, not necessarily what is the most interesting or fun.
> A bit of history is useful here.
> We used to have 4 groups for each project, mostly driven by the need
> to put people in ACL groups. The PTL (which has ultimate control), the
> Drivers (the trusted group around the PTL which had control over
> blueprint targeting in Launchpad), the Core reviewers (which have +2 on
> the repos in Gerrit), and the bug team (which had special Launchpad bugs
> rights like the ability to confirm stuff).
>  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Launchpad_Teams_and_Gerrit_Groups
> In that model, "drivers" is closer to what you describe for
> "maintainers" -- people invested 100% in the project success, and able
> to spend 95% of the work time to ensure it.
> My main objection to the model you propose is its binary nature. You
> bundle "core reviewing" duties with "drivers" duties into a single
> group. That simplification means that drivers have to be core reviewers,
> and that core reviewers have to be drivers. Sure, a lot of core
> reviewers are good candidates to become drivers. But I think bundling
> the two concepts excludes a lot of interesting people from being a "driver".
> If someone steps up and owns bug triaging in a project, that is very
> interesting and I'd like that person to be part of the "drivers" group.
> That said, bug triaging (like core reviewing) is a full time job. You
> can't expect the person who owns bug triaging to commit to the level of
> reviewing that core reviewers commit to. It's also a different skillset.
> Saying core reviewers and maintainers are the same thing, you basically
> exclude people from stepping up to the project leadership unless they
> are code reviewers. I think that's a bad thing. We need more people
> volunteering to own bug triaging and liaison work, not less.
> So, in summary:
> * I'm not against reviving the concept of drivers
> * I'm against making core reviewing a requirement for drivers
> * I'm for recognizing other duties (like bug triaging or liaison work)
> as being key project leadership positions
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