[openstack-dev] [oslo] log message translations

Joshua Harlow harlowja at yahoo-inc.com
Mon Jan 27 18:44:21 UTC 2014

+1 I've never understood this either personally.

>From what I know most all (correct me if I am wrong) open source projects
don't translate log messages; so it seems odd to be the special snowflake

Do people find this type of translation useful?

It'd be nice to know how many people really do so the benefit/drawbacks of
doing it can be evaluated by real usage data.


On 1/27/14, 9:58 AM, "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange at redhat.com> wrote:

>On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:42:28PM -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> We have a blueprint open for separating translated log messages into
>> different domains so the translation team can prioritize them
>> (focusing on errors and warnings before debug messages, for example)
>> Feedback?
>> [1]
>IMHO we've created ourselves a problem we don't need to have in the first
>place by trying to translate every single log message. It causes pain for
>developers & vendors because debug logs from users can in any language
>which the person receiving will often not be able to understand. It
>pain for translators by giving them an insane amount of work todo, which
>never ends since log message text is changed so often. Now we're creating
>yet more pain & complexity by trying to produce multiple log domains to
>a problem of havin some many msgs to translate. I accept that some people
>like translated log messages, but I don't think this is a net win when you
>look at the overall burden they're imposing.
>Shouldn't we just say no to this burden and remove translation of all log
>messages, except for those at WARN/ERROR level which is likely to be seen
>by administrators in a day-to-day basis. There's few enough of those that
>we wouldn't need these extra translation domains. IMHO translating stuff
>at DEBUG/INFO level is a waste of limited time & resources.
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