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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Victoria Martínez de la Cruz <
victoria at redhat.com> wrote:

> I moved forward and created #openstack-women channel. We could have it
> provisional and make a voting
> if most people think it is not a good call. In the meantime, feel free to
> join!
>
>
Ha! I should've looked at my email inbox before hitting send on my last
one. :) Can you add it to
https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/accessbot/channels.yaml
?

Thanks,
Anne


> Looking forward to see you all there,
>
> Victoria
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "APlimpton" <aplimpton at gmail.com>
> To: "Courtney Ferry" <cferry at carpathia.com>
> Cc: women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:33:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
>  breakfast.
>
> +1 to keeping it open to all and not letting trolls dictate anything.
> #openstack-women is a great name. Anything with woo is not so great.
>
> I'm looking forward to the channel!
>
> Amanda
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> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Courtney Ferry < cferry at carpathia.com >
> wrote:
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> I just hoped into #openstack-opw. There are 20 people logged on. I guess
> it's still being used for outreach??
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>
> --
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>
> Courtney Coulson Ferry
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> Solutions Engineer
>
> Carpathia, Inc.
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> From: Shilla Saebi < shilla.saebi at gmail.com >
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM
> To: "Linda Skrocki (lskrocki)" < lskrocki at cisco.com >
> Cc: Rainya Mosher < rainya.mosher at gmail.com >, Courtney Ferry <
> cferry at carpathia.com >, " women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org " <
> women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org >
>
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> breakfast.
>
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> +1 on keeping it open to ALL, not just men, not just women, ALL no matter
> what your sex is, as long as you are helping and with the cause :)
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Linda Skrocki (lskrocki) <
> lskrocki at cisco.com > wrote:
>
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>
> +1 to…
>
>
>     * Keeping it open and accessible to all
>     * Logging to align with the governance Courtney cites
>     * Not letting trolls dictate naming or anything else for that matter
> I don't have a strong preference on the name.
>
> From: Rainya Mosher < rainya.mosher at gmail.com >
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:42 PM
> To: Courtney Ferry < cferry at carpathia.com >
>
> Cc: " women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org " <
> women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org >
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> breakfast.
>
> +1 for keeping it as open and accessible as possible. I have said in the
> past how a room full of women is no more diverse than a room full of men,
> though I do understand the desire to have groups of all one gender or the
> other in certain situations. Given the relatively few number of women in
> tech and how we were not even 10% of the Vancouver summit population, we
> need as many advocates as we can find to take up the cause of diversity of
> thought through different genders and cultures. Making it as simple as
> possibly to our male and female advocates and champions to find us and
> interact with us seems like a great start.
>
> As for trolling, I do worry about it, but also don't like making decisions
> based on what might happen. Additional administrative overhead won't stop
> the trolls and it adds extra work to the channel leaders. In fact, having
> such a policy could actually attract more trolls. If they know there is an
> open channel that makes you agree to something to stay, they might seek it
> out for a cheap thrill knowing they can get a reaction easily.
>
> #openstack-opw makes a lot of sense to keep it simple. We could also
> consider -wos ( W omen [of] O pen S tack, acryonymFinder ), but I do love
> -woo!
>
> Merrian-Webster defines woo as "to try to attract (someone, such as a
> customer, voter, worker, etc.) : to attempt to persuade (someone) to buy
> something from you, vote for you, work for you, etc." Seems like part of
> our goal might be to attract and persuade more women to join the community?
>
> In the Clifton StrengthsFinder , "WOO" is an acronym for "winning others
> over" and is all about getting to know people and making sure strangers
> don't remain so for long. I think it is also very fitting for Women of
> OpenStack.
>
> (Disclaimer, WOO is in my top 10 strengths so I think it's just peachy!)
>
>
> Rainya
> 210.316.5065
> Not all of us can save the world. Some of us have to make it worth saving.
> - RFM
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Courtney Ferry < cferry at carpathia.com >
> wrote:
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> I'll add one more voice for keeping it open. Preemptively excluding anyone
> smacks too much of the opposite of what we are trying to accomplish.
>
> Rocky's idea of using an acronym instead of –women is also pretty good,
> just to keep down trolls searching for a dating channel. I know the name of
> the group has changed, but since the –opw already exists, how about we just
> use it to save the hassle?
>
> Regarding logging, it looks to be required by the foundation. " All
> OpenStack related channels shall be logged and made publicly accessible and
> attempts to notify channel users of that fact shall be undertaken."
> http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html
>
> Susie mentioned needing documentation. I wrote a good bit of the "how to
> use IRC" wiki page for my office, so I already have a lot of material. I'd
> be glad to help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> C-
>
> From: Rochelle Grober < rochelle.grober at huawei.com >
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM
> To: Anne Gentle < annegentle at justwriteclick.com >, "Gray, Susie" <
> susie.gray at hp.com >
> Cc: " women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org " <
> women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org >
>
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> breakfast.
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> I’m in agreement with Anne. I don’t know how much trolling happens on
> OpenStack channels, but I don’t think it’s a lot. That said, there is a
> higher likelihood of trolling on a channel identifying itself as for women.
> Maybe we should consider a little lower profile such as #openstack-woo. Put
> info in the mailing list, the wikis, etc.
>
>
>
> I would not like to limit the channel to just women. If men are interested
> in our problems/solutions/discussions, they should be free to participate.
> As long as they agree to and abide by the terms of participation. I
> participated in the training session for women in tech dealing with
> trolling and other issues and it was heavily male, and extremely
> sympathetic and supportive of reducing the problems encountered by women in
> tech. They can have valuable insight into defusing situations and
> supporting us in handling situations.
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> On the issue of keeping a record of the channel, I’m undecided. I lean
> towards not recording the channel, but if someone has a good argument for
> it, I can easily be swayed.
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> My 2 cents.
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>
> --Rocky
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> From: Anne Gentle [ mailto:annegentle at justwriteclick.com ]
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 19:27
> To: Gray, Susie
> Cc: women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> breakfast.
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> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Gray, Susie < susie.gray at hp.com > wrote:
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> Hey y'all
>
> So I pretty much found out straight away that the "rules" for channels we
> manage on freenode should allow us to have a private channel as it's for a
> "diversity type" reason.
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>
>
> Hi Susie,
>
>
> Well... but the TC just passed a resolution to prevent private IRC
> channels. [1] I'd like to see us agreeing to that guidance.
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> I was going to propose we use the existing open #openstack-opw channel,
> which we use for the Outreach Program for Women, now named Outreachy. Since
> -opw isn't the name of the program any more, we could rename the channel
> #openstack-women.
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> I've talked to people who run channels with a requirement upon entry of
> answering the question in the affirmative, "Do you agree to our terms (with
> a link to the terms)?" If someone doesn't answer or hedges, then they are
> kicked. If they still come back, but won't agree to the terms, they are
> banned. Thing is, that turns into a trollbait channel and you have to have
> 24x7 coverage to ask and if you don't get the answer you need, to kick,
> then ban the person who won't agree to the terms. I'm not sure we need that
> level of filter.
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> My proposal would be to re-use the existing #openstack-opw channel,
> renaming to #openstack-women (keeping with some other patterns in open
> source [2]), and keeping it public. We should also decide if an agreement
> upon entry is the way we want to go with this to help with the goal of
> ensuring the channel remains open but with known goals for interaction.
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> What do you all think?
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>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Anne
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> 1. http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html
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> 2. http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/IRC
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> Technically I've found a person with admin rights who is willing to help
> set this up. I'm happy to help with any maintenance if there is any also. I
> think it should also be non-logged to add to it being a "safe-space" for us
> to just chat.
>
> We will also need volunteers to write up some documentation with links to
> websites which are appropriate to 000 baby/completely non technical folk in
> order to help them get set up and running. A lot of the technology us
> techies take for granted is very very scary to non-technical people and we
> need to support all our colleagues not just the techies.
>
> Currently I was told we needed to run this past the foundation and get it
> okayed before going ahead. I am not aware of who to speak to or how this
> needs to be approached. Can the organisers help with this please?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -grue-
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