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Thanks Edgar, that's all very useful.

On 11 November 2016 at 00:31, Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com> wrote:

> Hello,
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>
>
> The etherpad of the session is here:
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> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-WGS
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> For the UC session is:
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> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-UC
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> Thanks,
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>
>
> Edgar Magana
>
> UC and BoD
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>
>
> *From: *David F Flanders <flanders at openstack.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM
> *To: *"matt at mattjarvis.org.uk" <matt at mattjarvis.org.uk>, Rochelle Grober <
> rochelle.grober at huawei.com>, Anita Kuno <anteaya at anteaya.info>
> *Cc: *Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com>, Stefano Maffulli <
> stefano.maffulli at dreamhost.com>, "user-committee at lists.openstack.org" <
> user-committee at lists.openstack.org>, Matt Jarvis <
> matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
>
>
>
> We've had excellent mentors like Rocky and Anita help guide new WG chairs
> in the past.
> I'm also aware that the UC WG took an action in Barcelona to publish some
> guidelines on good practices for WG chairs, as per this session:
>
> https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-
> schedule/events/16899/efficiency-of-working-groups-
> working-together-to-advance-the-community-leadership-of-the-user-committee
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.openstack.org_summit_barcelona-2D2016_summit-2Dschedule_events_16899_efficiency-2Dof-2Dworking-2Dgroups-2Dworking-2Dtogether-2Dto-2Dadvance-2Dthe-2Dcommunity-2Dleadership-2Dof-2Dthe-2Duser-2Dcommittee&d=DgMFaQ&c=DS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc&r=G0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ&m=xheQSrHSKUMsmUGIhiXMn7rbwgslg11g1CSMG2c9F1c&s=TP-5T6gzDSnZ7TnLGyOgKVwtb3cpr9KMzXCFOfu2oGc&e=>
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> ^^ @Shilla, I've misplaced the etherpad, if you could circulate?
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>
>
> @UC Could you consider putting out a call to current WG chairs to act as
> mentors to the new co-chairs of this WG?
>
> Best, Flanders
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> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:00 PM, matt Jarvis <matt at mattjarvis.org.uk>
> wrote:
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> Based on this thread, I'd be happy to organise and chair an initial IRC
> meeting to discuss the potential scope. Might need a steer from Edgar on
> some of the finer points of the IRC meeting system !
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:33 AM, Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Yes, the process has changed. The most important thing is that we want any
> new (and existing) WG to create some momentum without the proper official
> “approval” from the User Committee. Once you have some work done and some
> activities delivered we could process the approval from UC.
>
> So, far nothing will stop you to have IRC meetings, create your milestones
> and deliver some goals.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> *From: *David F Flanders <flanders at openstack.org>
> *Date: *Monday, November 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM
> *To: *Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com>, "user-committee at lists.
> openstack.org" <user-committee at lists.openstack.org>
> *Cc: *Bruno Morel <bmorel at internap.com>, Matt Jarvis <
> matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk>, Sean Handley <sean.handley at datacentred.co.
> uk>, Jean-Daniel Bonnetot <jean-daniel.bonnetot at corp.ovh.com>, Stefano
> Maffulli <stefano.maffulli at dreamhost.com>
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
>
>
>
> +1 for this WG having significantly different scope and membership.
>
> I would also suggest that this would be an excellent potential candidate
> WG for minting one or more activities at the newly minted forum in Boston.
>
> One slight suggestion: in writing up the scope (and anti-scope) of the WG,
> consideration should be made for how the group will work with other related
> WGs (and potentially co-located in meeting times).
>
> For example:
>
> a.)  how the public clouds could be providing guidance for the use of
> Shade SDK for AppDev a la AppEco-WG, and
>
> b.) how the public clouds can continue to support the CloudAppHack-WG in
> providing cloud accounts for hackathon participants <- pretty plz 🙇
>
> Below is the template for submitting as WG:
>
> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Procedure_for_Creating_a_New_Working_Group
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> ^^@Edgar is this the latest version, re having 2x chairs and suggested
> times for timezone straddling betwen EU/USA/APAC?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Flandersd
>
>
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> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Matt Jarvis <matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> +1
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>
>
> On 2 November 2016 at 23:18, Bruno Morel <bmorel at internap.com> wrote:
>
> So when ca we submit this to the User Committee ?... I think with have the
> critical mass :)
>
>
>
> Bruno
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>
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> *From: *Tobias Rydberg <tobias at citynetwork.se>
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 5:55 PM
> *To: *"user-committee at lists.openstack.org" <user-committee at lists.
> openstack.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I think this is a great suggestion from Sean, and I agree with the words
> from Curtis as well.
>
> I work at a public cloud company and during our years with OpenStack we
> have seen a lot of things not suited for a public cloud. As Sean mentions,
> public cloud providers do their own fixes to get around this, and it would
> be much better with a joined force contributing this back to the community
> in a structured way.
>
> Regards,
> Tobias
>
> Den 2016-10-31 kl. 16:49, skrev Curtis:
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Sean Handley
>
> <sean.handley at datacentred.co.uk> <sean.handley at datacentred.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I’d like to propose a working group for public cloud operators to help
>
> deliver features across projects that support the needs of OpenStack public
>
> cloud operators:
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> I no longer work at a public cloud, but if I was I would think this
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> group to be very important.
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>
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> I think there is a class of what I would call regional public clouds,
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> all around the world the world, and I think these are important
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> organizations worth supporting as much as possible. Speaking as
>
> someone who used to work at one, it is invaluable to have peers to
>
> discuss similar issues with. I would be very surprised if any of these
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> regional clouds feel as through they are fully staffed, and in fact
>
> are often quite small. The ability to band together to solve common
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> problems and implement common solutions is extremely powerful, and I
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> think exactly what a working group would do.
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>
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> Further, I do believe there is enough difference in the requirements
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> of a public cloud versus a private one to ensure that this working
>
> group will have sufficient work. Private clouds can often (not always,
>
> but often) solve problems by telling their users not to do something,
>
> "it's against company policy", or even not supporting the feature,
>
> whereas that is harder in a public cloud. Even the simple difference
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> of the fact that their APIs are available on the Internet is a
>
> considerable change from a typical, IMHO, private cloud. Those are
>
> just a couple examples. Certainly some would disagree with me, but I
>
> feel there is fairly substantial difference between running a private
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> cloud and a public one.
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> My $0.02,
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> Curtis.
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> Cheers,
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> Sean Handley.
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