[User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
Edgar Magana
edgar.magana at workday.com
Fri Nov 11 00:31:15 UTC 2016
Hello,
The etherpad of the session is here:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-WGS
For the UC session is:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-UC
Thanks,
Edgar Magana
UC and BoD
From: David F Flanders <flanders at openstack.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM
To: "matt at mattjarvis.org.uk" <matt at mattjarvis.org.uk>, Rochelle Grober <rochelle.grober at huawei.com>, Anita Kuno <anteaya at anteaya.info>
Cc: Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com>, Stefano Maffulli <stefano.maffulli at dreamhost.com>, "user-committee at lists.openstack.org" <user-committee at lists.openstack.org>, Matt Jarvis <matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
We've had excellent mentors like Rocky and Anita help guide new WG chairs in the past.
I'm also aware that the UC WG took an action in Barcelona to publish some guidelines on good practices for WG chairs, as per this session:
https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16899/efficiency-of-working-groups-working-together-to-advance-the-community-leadership-of-the-user-committee<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.openstack.org_summit_barcelona-2D2016_summit-2Dschedule_events_16899_efficiency-2Dof-2Dworking-2Dgroups-2Dworking-2Dtogether-2Dto-2Dadvance-2Dthe-2Dcommunity-2Dleadership-2Dof-2Dthe-2Duser-2Dcommittee&d=DgMFaQ&c=DS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc&r=G0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ&m=xheQSrHSKUMsmUGIhiXMn7rbwgslg11g1CSMG2c9F1c&s=TP-5T6gzDSnZ7TnLGyOgKVwtb3cpr9KMzXCFOfu2oGc&e=>
^^ @Shilla, I've misplaced the etherpad, if you could circulate?
@UC Could you consider putting out a call to current WG chairs to act as mentors to the new co-chairs of this WG?
Best, Flanders
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:00 PM, matt Jarvis <matt at mattjarvis.org.uk<mailto:matt at mattjarvis.org.uk>> wrote:
Based on this thread, I'd be happy to organise and chair an initial IRC meeting to discuss the potential scope. Might need a steer from Edgar on some of the finer points of the IRC meeting system !
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:33 AM, Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com<mailto:edgar.magana at workday.com>> wrote:
Hello,
Yes, the process has changed. The most important thing is that we want any new (and existing) WG to create some momentum without the proper official “approval” from the User Committee. Once you have some work done and some activities delivered we could process the approval from UC.
So, far nothing will stop you to have IRC meetings, create your milestones and deliver some goals.
Thanks,
Edgar
From: David F Flanders <flanders at openstack.org<mailto:flanders at openstack.org>>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM
To: Edgar Magana <edgar.magana at workday.com<mailto:edgar.magana at workday.com>>, "user-committee at lists.openstack.org<mailto:user-committee at lists.openstack.org>" <user-committee at lists.openstack.org<mailto:user-committee at lists.openstack.org>>
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Subject: Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
+1 for this WG having significantly different scope and membership.
I would also suggest that this would be an excellent potential candidate WG for minting one or more activities at the newly minted forum in Boston.
One slight suggestion: in writing up the scope (and anti-scope) of the WG, consideration should be made for how the group will work with other related WGs (and potentially co-located in meeting times).
For example:
a.) how the public clouds could be providing guidance for the use of Shade SDK for AppDev a la AppEco-WG, and
b.) how the public clouds can continue to support the CloudAppHack-WG in providing cloud accounts for hackathon participants <- pretty plz 🙇
Below is the template for submitting as WG:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Procedure_for_Creating_a_New_Working_Group<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.openstack.org_wiki_Procedure-5Ffor-5FCreating-5Fa-5FNew-5FWorking-5FGroup&d=DgMFaQ&c=DS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc&r=G0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ&m=S4ZW64zm80d8D0ByPliERwMLONl-aC5XQUhAmMh-koc&s=ZkBb41COfOkygMcVOfa-qHO1QQKeOhasqlWmpoyHp2A&e=>
^^@Edgar is this the latest version, re having 2x chairs and suggested times for timezone straddling betwen EU/USA/APAC?
Kind Regards,
Flandersd
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Matt Jarvis <matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk<mailto:matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk>> wrote:
+1
On 2 November 2016 at 23:18, Bruno Morel <bmorel at internap.com<mailto:bmorel at internap.com>> wrote:
So when ca we submit this to the User Committee ?... I think with have the critical mass :)
Bruno
From: Tobias Rydberg <tobias at citynetwork.se<mailto:tobias at citynetwork.se>>
Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 5:55 PM
To: "user-committee at lists.openstack.org<mailto:user-committee at lists.openstack.org>" <user-committee at lists.openstack.org<mailto:user-committee at lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group
Hi,
I think this is a great suggestion from Sean, and I agree with the words from Curtis as well.
I work at a public cloud company and during our years with OpenStack we have seen a lot of things not suited for a public cloud. As Sean mentions, public cloud providers do their own fixes to get around this, and it would be much better with a joined force contributing this back to the community in a structured way.
Regards,
Tobias
Den 2016-10-31 kl. 16:49, skrev Curtis:
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Sean Handley
<sean.handley at datacentred.co.uk><mailto:sean.handley at datacentred.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I’d like to propose a working group for public cloud operators to help
deliver features across projects that support the needs of OpenStack public
cloud operators:
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I no longer work at a public cloud, but if I was I would think this
group to be very important.
I think there is a class of what I would call regional public clouds,
all around the world the world, and I think these are important
organizations worth supporting as much as possible. Speaking as
someone who used to work at one, it is invaluable to have peers to
discuss similar issues with. I would be very surprised if any of these
regional clouds feel as through they are fully staffed, and in fact
are often quite small. The ability to band together to solve common
problems and implement common solutions is extremely powerful, and I
think exactly what a working group would do.
Further, I do believe there is enough difference in the requirements
of a public cloud versus a private one to ensure that this working
group will have sufficient work. Private clouds can often (not always,
but often) solve problems by telling their users not to do something,
"it's against company policy", or even not supporting the feature,
whereas that is harder in a public cloud. Even the simple difference
of the fact that their APIs are available on the Internet is a
considerable change from a typical, IMHO, private cloud. Those are
just a couple examples. Certainly some would disagree with me, but I
feel there is fairly substantial difference between running a private
cloud and a public one.
My $0.02,
Curtis.
Cheers,
Sean Handley.
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