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"We need to shift focus beyond FirstApp to building cloud-native app
topics (app architecture changes, migration strategy, design patterns,
micro-services, container for apps, cloud-agnostic app portability, etc)
as well as AppDev tooling.² +1

As for the name change: App Dev Enablement +1 (Thanks Lauren for the tweak)

On 11/1/16, 10:53 AM, "Sun, Yih Leong" <yih.leong.sun at intel.com> wrote:

>I share the same sentiment that most attendees todays at Summit are still
>ops/openstack-developer in general. The proportion of AppDev is still
>relatively small.
>
>I do see a rise of AppDev attendees at Tokyo summit, however, it drops at
>Austin and very significantly at Barcelona.
>I think one reason could be due to the "content" of the presentation. I
>attended a session about <migrating app to cloud/container> in the <cloud
>app development track>, but the session turns out to be a vendor pitch at
>start and no discussion from AppDev perspective.
>
>I agree that the community/companies should continue to support/invest
>the Hackathon, maybe one day this will evolve into "OpenStack App
>conference" :-) 
>
>I support the WG name change: App Dev Enablement +1
>
>We need to shift focus beyond FirstApp to building cloud-native app
>topics (app architecture changes, migration strategy, design patterns,
>micro-services, container for apps, cloud-agnostic app portability, etc)
>as well as AppDev tooling.
>
>Thanks!
>Regards,
>---
>Yih Leong Sun, PhD
>Senior Software Cloud Architect | Open Source Technology Center | Intel
>Corporation
>yih.leong.sun at intel.com | +1 503 264 0610
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruno Morel [mailto:bmorel at internap.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:48 AM
>To: Gene Kuo <gene at openstack.org>; Lauren Sell <lauren at openstack.org>
>Cc: user-committee <user-committee at lists.openstack.org>
>Subject: [User-committee] [app] App Eco WG naming --un-hikacking : where
>are the App devs
>
>Yup. I agree with Gene that we have a deficit of App Dev at the summit.
>Either they hide, or they are simply not there.
>
>I know for a fact that one of our client (we are a public cloud based on
>OS, they are a huge ecommerce platform), sent its IT guys but just one of
>his devs...
>
>Hackaton are amazing and we should keep invest strongly in it, but I
>think we also need to find ways to reach inside the organizations
>themselves.
>Sad part: I don¹t have that many good ideas how to do that right now :)
>
>Bruno
>
>On 2016-11-01, 12:37 PM, "Gene Kuo" <gene at openstack.org> wrote:
>
>    Hi Lauren,
>    
>    I was working with Flanders as a mentor at the Cloud App Labs Lounge
>and Python shade SDK training session[1] in Barcelona.
>    
>    I¹m not sure about other sessions related to app-devs, but I found
>that most or even all of the attendees of Cloud App Labs and shade SDK
>training are not app developers.
>    
>    In my opinion, we should be focusing more on this community outside
>of summits. Hackathons may be a good idea as high percentage of the
>participant are app-devs.
>    
>    Thanks,
>    
>    Gene Kuo
>    
>    [1] 
>https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/172
>69/training-for-cloud-app-engineers-cross-cloud-application-deployment-how
>-to-deploy-application-in-multiple-open-data-centres-worldwide-using-the-p
>ython-shade-sdk
>    
>    
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: "Lauren Sell" <lauren at openstack.org>
>    Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:14pm
>    To: "Bonell Manjarrez, Marcela" <marcela.bonell.manjarrez at intel.com>
>    Cc: "user-committee" <user-committee at lists.openstack.org>
>    Subject: Re: [User-committee] [app] App Eco WG naming
>    
>    Hi Chris,
>    
>    I did not attend the meeting in Barcelona, but the name change and
>shift to a functional team makes sense to me. One potential small tweak
>to the wording could be App Dev Enablement?
>    
>    Referencing your agenda from the Barcelona meeting, I¹m excited about
>the efforts to improve developer.openstack.org and openstack.org/appdev.
>In terms of collaborating with other working groups, I¹m anxious to hear
>how the enterprise WG book sprint about migrating / running apps on
>OpenStack went last week. Seems like a place your team might want to be
>involved, or at least consider how we leverage and promote the content.
>    
>    I also saw notes about mapping the mix of events. I would love to get
>some feedback about our efforts to attract more app developers to
>Barcelona and the right strategy for the future, i.e. do we think we¹ll
>ever attract a critical mass of app developers to an OpenStack Summit, or
>should we be focusing our efforts to educate and build this community
>outside of the Summits?
>    
>    Thanks,
>    Lauren
>    
>    
>    > On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Bonell Manjarrez, Marcela
><marcela.bonell.manjarrez at intel.com> wrote:
>    > 
>    > - App Developer Enabling +1
>    > 
>    > - Become a "functional team² +1
>    > 
>    > Marcela Bonell
>    > 
>    > 
>    > 
>    > 
>    > 
>    > 
>    > 
>    > On 11/1/16, 5:26 AM, "Christopher Aedo" <doc at aedo.net> wrote:
>    > 
>    >> During one of our work sessions in Barcelona (etherpad here[1]) we
>    >> discussed the name of our working group and agreed it was overly
>broad
>    >> and could use reconsideration.  Those in attendance agreed that our
>    >> purpose, scope and deliverables[2] made sense given goals planned
>for
>    >> the next cycle[3].
>    >> 
>    >> As far as names go, we briefly discussed the following before
>agreeing
>    >> to continue the conversation on the mailing list after the summit:
>    >> -App Developer Support
>    >> -App Developer Enabling
>    >> 
>    >> Any feedback on these?  Any others to think about?
>    >> 
>    >> I think it's also worth discussing whether or not we continue as a
>    >> working group or transition to a functional team.  Nobody currently
>    >> involved with the App Eco WG was there at it's creation.  Since
>then
>    >> we've broadened our scope to cover more than just creation of the
>    >> first-openstack-app guide and chasing improvements in external
>SDKs.
>    >> Given the definitions in the UC charter[4] I think we should be
>    >> operating as a "functional team" rather than a working group.
>What do
>    >> you think?
>    >> 
>    >> -Christopher
>    >> 
>    >> [1]: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEco_WG_BCN
>    >> [2]: 
>https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Application_Ecosystem_Working_Group
>    >> [3]: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-eco-objectives
>    >> [4]: http://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html
>    >> 
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