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I share the same sentiment that most attendees todays at Summit are still ops/openstack-developer in general. The proportion of AppDev is still relatively small.

I do see a rise of AppDev attendees at Tokyo summit, however, it drops at Austin and very significantly at Barcelona.
I think one reason could be due to the "content" of the presentation. I attended a session about <migrating app to cloud/container> in the <cloud app development track>, but the session turns out to be a vendor pitch at start and no discussion from AppDev perspective. 

I agree that the community/companies should continue to support/invest the Hackathon, maybe one day this will evolve into "OpenStack App conference" :-) 

I support the WG name change: App Dev Enablement +1

We need to shift focus beyond FirstApp to building cloud-native app topics (app architecture changes, migration strategy, design patterns, micro-services, container for apps, cloud-agnostic app portability, etc) as well as AppDev tooling.

Thanks!
Regards,
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Yih Leong Sun, PhD 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno Morel [mailto:bmorel at internap.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Gene Kuo <gene at openstack.org>; Lauren Sell <lauren at openstack.org>
Cc: user-committee <user-committee at lists.openstack.org>
Subject: [User-committee] [app] App Eco WG naming --un-hikacking : where are the App devs

Yup. I agree with Gene that we have a deficit of App Dev at the summit.
Either they hide, or they are simply not there.

I know for a fact that one of our client (we are a public cloud based on OS, they are a huge ecommerce platform), sent its IT guys but just one of his devs...

Hackaton are amazing and we should keep invest strongly in it, but I think we also need to find ways to reach inside the organizations themselves.
Sad part: I don’t have that many good ideas how to do that right now :)

Bruno

On 2016-11-01, 12:37 PM, "Gene Kuo" <gene at openstack.org> wrote:

    Hi Lauren,
    
    I was working with Flanders as a mentor at the Cloud App Labs Lounge and Python shade SDK training session[1] in Barcelona.
    
    I’m not sure about other sessions related to app-devs, but I found that most or even all of the attendees of Cloud App Labs and shade SDK training are not app developers.
    
    In my opinion, we should be focusing more on this community outside of summits. Hackathons may be a good idea as high percentage of the participant are app-devs.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Gene Kuo
    
    [1] https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17269/training-for-cloud-app-engineers-cross-cloud-application-deployment-how-to-deploy-application-in-multiple-open-data-centres-worldwide-using-the-python-shade-sdk
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: "Lauren Sell" <lauren at openstack.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:14pm
    To: "Bonell Manjarrez, Marcela" <marcela.bonell.manjarrez at intel.com>
    Cc: "user-committee" <user-committee at lists.openstack.org>
    Subject: Re: [User-committee] [app] App Eco WG naming
    
    Hi Chris,
    
    I did not attend the meeting in Barcelona, but the name change and shift to a functional team makes sense to me. One potential small tweak to the wording could be App Dev Enablement?
    
    Referencing your agenda from the Barcelona meeting, I’m excited about the efforts to improve developer.openstack.org and openstack.org/appdev. In terms of collaborating with other working groups, I’m anxious to hear how the enterprise WG book sprint about migrating / running apps on OpenStack went last week. Seems like a place your team might want to be involved, or at least consider how we leverage and promote the content.
    
    I also saw notes about mapping the mix of events. I would love to get some feedback about our efforts to attract more app developers to Barcelona and the right strategy for the future, i.e. do we think we’ll ever attract a critical mass of app developers to an OpenStack Summit, or should we be focusing our efforts to educate and build this community outside of the Summits?
    
    Thanks,
    Lauren
    
    
    > On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Bonell Manjarrez, Marcela <marcela.bonell.manjarrez at intel.com> wrote:
    > 
    > - App Developer Enabling +1
    > 
    > - Become a "functional team” +1
    > 
    > Marcela Bonell
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > On 11/1/16, 5:26 AM, "Christopher Aedo" <doc at aedo.net> wrote:
    > 
    >> During one of our work sessions in Barcelona (etherpad here[1]) we
    >> discussed the name of our working group and agreed it was overly broad
    >> and could use reconsideration.  Those in attendance agreed that our
    >> purpose, scope and deliverables[2] made sense given goals planned for
    >> the next cycle[3].
    >> 
    >> As far as names go, we briefly discussed the following before agreeing
    >> to continue the conversation on the mailing list after the summit:
    >> -App Developer Support
    >> -App Developer Enabling
    >> 
    >> Any feedback on these?  Any others to think about?
    >> 
    >> I think it's also worth discussing whether or not we continue as a
    >> working group or transition to a functional team.  Nobody currently
    >> involved with the App Eco WG was there at it's creation.  Since then
    >> we've broadened our scope to cover more than just creation of the
    >> first-openstack-app guide and chasing improvements in external SDKs.
    >> Given the definitions in the UC charter[4] I think we should be
    >> operating as a "functional team" rather than a working group.  What do
    >> you think?
    >> 
    >> -Christopher
    >> 
    >> [1]: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEco_WG_BCN
    >> [2]: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Application_Ecosystem_Working_Group
    >> [3]: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-eco-objectives
    >> [4]: http://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html
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