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Chris,
I'll be joining from Europe.

Regards,
Igor Marnat

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Aedo <caedo at us.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Jamie Hannaford <
> jamie.hannaford at rackspace.com> wrote:
> > Is it possible to move the meeting time so it's friendly towards folks in
> > Europe?
>
> Thanks for bringing this up!  One of our intentions is to find times that
> can include interested parties from lots of different time zones.
> Considering the time we have right now was intended to work for folks in
> the US as well as the APAC region, it's not friendly for people in Europe.
> Other projects have seen success with alternating the meetings times so
> every other week there is one that works well for at least one half of the
> contributors.  I am all for this, only question is who would be joining us
> at a time that works for people in Europe?
>
> Would it make sense to start a new thread calling out our interest in
> capturing feedback from people in Europe?
>
> > Also, https://irccloud.com is a great web-based IRC client which is both
> > user-friendly and free. IMO its UI/UX is far better for newcomers than
> > something we can write from scratch.
>
> I'm familiar with IRCCloud and it was discussed in the other thread
> (titled "working group comms").  The drawback is that the free tier is not
> persistent, so it ends up being not too different from just hopping on
> freenode.net's web-based IRC for the brief duration of the meeting, and
> then being offline until the next meeting.  Though that satisfies the "lets
> meet on IRC" piece, it doesn't help much with getting newcomers to IRC
> integrated into the larger community.
>
> I am not proposing we write our own thing from scratch at all, that would
> be crazy :)  What I'm proposing is that we host a version of "The Lounge"
> which is a web-based IRC client very similar to irccloud.com.  It's FOSS
> with an active developer community and an excellent user experience.  You
> can see the project page here: http://thelounge.github.io/
>
> -Christopher
>
> >
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Christopher Aedo <caedo at us.ibm.com>
> > Sent: 10 May 2016 01:30
> > Cc: user-committee at lists.openstack.org
> > Subject: Re: [User-committee] Application Ecosystem Working Group Post
> > Austin Summit Priority List
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Christopher Aedo <caedo at us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Callaghan, John <
> john.callaghan at hpe.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Coming away from our productive working group session we established
> the
> >>> following three priorities for the group for the next cycle.
> >>>
> >>> A link to the session etherpad is listed and welcome to input here:
> >>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEcoSystem_WG_Austin_Meetup
> >>>
> >>> Working Session Goals:
> >>>
> >>> Define top 3 priorities from Agenda for the Newton cycle
> >>>
> >>> 1.       Review Charter
> >>>
> >>> §  (Task Force - Subgroup determined from next post summit meeting)
> >>>
> >>> §  Volunteers: John Callaghan HPE,
> >>>
> >>> 2.       Python SDK - First App and get it published We need a win for
> >>> Python whether it be pythonsdk, shade or libcloud
> >>>
> >>> §  Craig Sterrett to drive with SDK owners
> >>>
> >>> §  Preparation for training to add value in Barcelona
> >>>
> >>> 3.       Consider IRC in addition to 2 x monthly calls
> >>>
> >>> §  Christopher Aedo to drive with foundation through User-committee
> >>> mailing
> >>> list
> >>
> >> Thank you John for sending this note out and keeping us on task here :)
> >>
> >> Regarding IRC there has been a different thread (subject
> "[User-committee]
> >> working group comms") where we've been having a conversation around the
> >> tools we can use for enabling IRC (and other communication channels.)
>  For
> >> those that haven't been following along, I volunteered to work with the
> >> OpenStack Infra team to provide a web-based IRC client.  The first step
> of
> >> this will be for me to write a spec, and following that we'll set up a
> >> server that will be available to interested parties.  Expect this
> service
> >> to
> >> be offered on an experimental basis at first, as we'll need some time
> with
> >> real users to work out the kinks, but I expect the experience to be
> >> largely
> >> painless for working group members who are interested.  The end result
> >> will
> >> be web-based access to IRC that also offers persistence similar to Slack
> >> (i.e. when you close the browser, your persona is not logged out - so
> next
> >> time you connect, you can "scroll back" to catch yourself up on the
> >> conversation).
> >>
> >> Additionally, Leong from Intel shared a cheat sheet that lets anyone
> >> quickly
> >> and easily hop on IRC from their web browser:
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m--DFSwTPqKmxGNxP7ThDYuNr017wI_bUQOtqyaeyG0/edit
> >> In the short term I think this is great.  In the long term though, I
> hope
> >> to
> >> provide an even better experience that keeps folks around on IRC as well
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Regarding having our meetings on IRC, Andreas Jeager pointed out the
> >> communication standards we've agreed on for OpenStack projects at large
> >>
> >> (
> http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/open-community.html#public-meetings-on-irc
> ).
> >> We can debate the applicability to working groups, but I'd argue we
> have a
> >> LOT of evidence that holding meetings over IRC scales well and is very
> >> inclusive.  To that end I propose we hold our bi-weekly IRC meetings on
> >> one
> >> of the established IRC channels.  If we intend to continue with the same
> >> schedule for now (3pm PST/10pm UTC) we can use the IRC channel
> >> #openstack-meeting.  If there are no objections, I'll submit a patch to
> >> the
> >> IRC-meetings repository to officially reserve our time slot.
> >
> > Enough time has passed without any objections to this plan, and the
> > intention was confirmed in the App Ecosystem WG meeting today.  I
> submitted
> > the following patch which will reserve the IRC channel
> "#openstack-meeting"
> > on a bi-weekly basis at our normal meeting time:
> > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314322/
> >
> > We also agreed to give this time slot a few weeks in order for the
> existing
> > members to get comfortable with IRC.  If there are additional folks who
> > would be interested in joining but find this time inconvenient, we will
> > coordinate a poll for a new meeting time (i.e. something that engages our
> > friends in Europe).  For now though, the plan will be to continue having
> > weekly meetings, alternating the venue between conference call and IRC
> each
> > week.
> >
> > -Christopher
> >
> >
> >
> >
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