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Hey everyone!

I've reached out to Lauren and Cindy on this issue to offer my help but
haven't gotten a response. Given the tricky nature of gender
discrimination, I don't feel comfortable (as a white male) taking on this
work without their guidance, as it is likely to negatively impact its
legitimacy. I'm sensitive to that "Male Privilege swoop-in-and-take-over"
thing, so I'll leave it in the capable hands of Lauren and Cindy.

I support this effort and what it means for the community but started this
discussion because it looked like this important work might be stalling,
but maybe it's just that I don't know where to look for the next steps &
how I can help. Could someone direct me to where I can follow along in the
discussions and maybe participate when I'm able to find the time between my
other projects? This is really important to the community and I don't want
to lose track of what's going on here.

Thanks!

Michael Krotscheck

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 3:00 PM Matt Jarvis <matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk>
wrote:

> that's sad to hear Doug, 2 is definitely 2 too many. What do you think the
> drivers are for that kind of behaviour - are there cultural elements
> involved or is it just purely inappropriate behaviour in your experience ?
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 22:51, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:
>
>> Excerpts from Matt Jarvis's message of 2016-05-06 22:24:55 +0100:
>> > I have to say that I've never seen any of that kind of behaviour in my
>> time
>> > in the community, which is not to say it might not be happening
>> elsewhere.
>> > As we become a global community though, with all our brilliant cultural
>> > differences as human beings, it is probably a good idea to set the
>> > acceptable parameters in terms of how we interact with each other.
>>
>> I'm personally aware of at least 2 episodes of harassment against women
>> at our summit events. So, yes, this is a problem in our community.
>>
>> Thanks, Michael, for picking up the work to finish the CoC updates.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> >
>> > On 6 May 2016 at 22:02, Jonathan Proulx <jon at csail.mit.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Michael,
>> > >
>> > > Good points.  We should probably reach out to the Diversity Working
>> > > Group for their input https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity
>> > >
>> > > I'm not particularly familiar with other organization's codes of
>> > > conduct or more importantly how they have worked in practice.
>> > >
>> > > Do you have any suggestions for models to emulate (or avoid)?
>> > >
>> > > -Jon
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 08:47:20PM +0000, Michael Krotscheck wrote:
>> > > :Hello everyone-
>> > > :
>> > > :OpenStack's Code of Conduct does not have an explicit discrimination
>> > > :clause, nor does it have any mention of what constitutes harassment.
>> > > :
>> > > :https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/
>> > > :
>> > > :There've been quite a few flashpoints recently, where individuals
>> acting
>> > > :inside of other open source communities have engaged in allegedly
>> racist,
>> > > :sexist, and other discriminatory behavior, to the detriment and loss
>> of
>> > > :their peer contributors. I personally feel that it is only a matter
>> of
>> > > time
>> > > :before something similar happens inside of our community (if it
>> hasn't
>> > > :already), and I strongly believe we should decide how we, as a
>> community,
>> > > :should react should something like this happen, before it actually
>> does.
>> > > :
>> > > :I've spoken to a member of the Board of Directors, and their
>> > > recommendation
>> > > :was that the user committee take on this task, and make a
>> recommendation
>> > > to
>> > > :the Board and the Foundation.
>> > > :
>> > > :My personal opinion is that a zero-tolerance policy may not be
>> effective,
>> > > :as it provides little opportunity for correction, education, and
>> > > :redemption. Even so, a policy that does not have teeth will be
>> little more
>> > > :than lip service.
>> > > :
>> > > :Michael Krotscheck
>> > >
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