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My understanding has been that the PWG covers 2 broad objectives:

·         Gathering user needs and communicating them to the developers in the form of User Stories (some needs may come from the Enterprise WG)

o   A key task here is interfacing with PTLs and Cores to get buy-in to the user stories and help set priorities for development

·         Gathering development plans and communicating them back to end users (ie. those who consume OpenStack) in the form of roadmaps



I’ve heard many end users speak to the value of the roadmaps, which would be lost if we focused just on user stories. And PTLs/cores have started seeing the value of the user stories in helping them draw up development plans, and we’ve already started putting more work into them



I tend to also look at Teams as long-term and Workgroups as short term, but I think we shouldn’t bother too much about that – none of the developers or end users has raised the question about workgroups being this long-running



I summary, PWG seems fine to me



Krish

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny Johnston [mailto:kenny at kencjohnston.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:54 PM
To: Lauren Sell <lauren at openstack.org>
Cc: product-wg at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story Team



On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Lauren Sell <lauren at openstack.org<mailto:lauren at openstack.org>> wrote:



> Hi Kenny,

>

> Thanks very much for starting the discussion on the list. I am not

> involved with the team day to day, but from my perspective, I would

> caution against changing the name to “User Stories" because I think it

> undersells the mission.





I disagree. Our mission is clearly focused on "creating user stories that reflect the voice of users/operators."[1] It's right there in the first sentence. :)





> That said, I would definitely support evolving from a “Working Group”

> to a “Team” (although I think you’re already using that term in some cases).

>

> I know the Board and the User Committee view the Product (Team) as a

> very strategic initiative, and I’m afraid the name change would imply

> a very tactical scope.





I'm actually all for tactical scope, even in strategic initiatives. We can fulfill a strategic role (providing a place to develop unified user stories for the broader User Community to communicate to the broader Technical

Community) by doing a very tactical task (drafting, reviewing and publishing user stories).



My understanding is that in an ideal world, the Product Team is a

> horizontal body that helps aggregate, prioritize and find commonality

> across feature requests from the different vertical teams /

> constituencies (such as Scientific, Large Deployments, Enterprise,

> Telco, etc.), in order to bubble up and evangelize the top priorities

> across the community in a consumable way.





Isn't our primary consumable deliverable, and method for finding that commonality in the proposing and joint review of User Stories?





> The Product Team would also ideally follow some of the top priorities

> through the design and development process, and of course help

> document the roadmap, as you are currently doing quite well.

>



I'd argue we could have a separate Work Group (now that I've clarified that WGs can be long-term) that puts together the roadmap.





>

> There are of course challenges to achieving the full vision, including

> resources and culture / process changes, but as a heads up the

> Foundation staff intends to provide better support for the Product

> Team in 2017 (both upstream and downstream to help close the feedback

> loop) :)

>

> Just my thoughts as you are considering the change...

>



+1 appreciate it.



Part of my general concern that I didn't communicate, but should have, is that by remaining strategic without a tactical purpose we are not adequately broadcasting to potential and current members that being a member of this group/team involves the not-often-fun work of drafting, reviewing and updating user stories. If we had 100 members, but only five of them were committed to that not-often-fun work, I'd consider this group a strategic failure.



>

> Best,

> Lauren

>



[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam#Mission



>

>

>

> > On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Kenny Johnston <kenny at kencjohnston.com<mailto:kenny at kencjohnston.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >   - There has been some recent discussion around what it means to be a

> >   Working Group vs Team, with one of the guiding principles

> > highlighted

> being

> >   that Working Groups should be short-lived in nature, whereas Teams can

> >   exist in perpetuity

> >   - Given our role as the reviewers of the

> >   openstack/openstack-user-stories repository[1], I believe we

> > should

> exist

> >   in perpetuity

> >   - The term "Product" has implied a number of things that I think we no

> >   longer intend:

> >      - That our membership is made exclusively Product managers

> >      - That it is our role to treat OpenStack like a "product"

> >      - That we serve only those organizations who build products around

> >      OpenStack

> >

> > For these reasons I'd like to propose that we change our name to the

> > User Story team. I thought I would start the discussion here and ask

> > that we

> add

> > it as an agenda item for next week's meeting[2].

> >

> > Thoughts? High-fives? Boos?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --

> > Kenny Johnston | irc:kencjohnston | @kencjohnston [1]

> > https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories

> > [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team

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