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On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Peter Chadwick <PChadwick at suse.com> wrote:

> Kenny - Interesting thread! I am equally ok with either Working Group
> or Team, but would prefer to stay with Product in the name. When we
> initially started this it was to help OpenStack go from a somewhat
> loose collection of projects to something that was more easily
> consumed.


I'm not sure that has ever been part of our charter? It is nowhere in our
mission statement.


> While the goal is not really to make a product per se, it was
> at least intended to identify the areas that were most in the way of
> wider deployment. Which is of course the focus of product management.
>

I agree that that is "Product Management," but disagree that being "Product
Management" for OpenStack is our mission.


>
> In any event, as long as we can accurately reflect the needs of the
> ultimate consumers of OpenStack, I think that we can continue to add
> value.
>

Agreed, and I think we do so by publishing User Stories.


>
> Pete
>
> On Tue, 2016-12-06 at 22:21 +0000, Carol L Barrett wrote:
> > Thanks
> > Carol
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lauren Sell [mailto:lauren at openstack.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 2:17 PM
> > To: Barrett, Carol L <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>
> > Cc: Kenny Johnston <kenny at kencjohnston.com>;
> > product-wg at lists.openstack.org
> > Subject: Re: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story
> > Team
> >
> > My email just crossed paths with yours, Carol :)
> >
> > I don’t think the term Product scares many people away and it’s a
> > known entity at this point. If you think a name change is warranted,
> > I like the broader terms you propose...
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 6, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Barrett, Carol L <
> > > carol.l.barrett at intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > HI Kenny - Where did you find the definition of WG vs Team? I
> > > thought it was the other way around (teams = short term; WG = long
> > > term).
> > >
> > > I think there are pros & cons to changing names. One of the
> > > notables being name recognition.
> > >
> > > That said, I think this is a good discussion for us to have. If we
> > > are going to change from Product, then some of the things that come
> > > to mind are: Market Requirements  or Planning.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > > Carol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kenny Johnston [mailto:kenny at kencjohnston.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:57 AM
> > > To: product-wg at lists.openstack.org
> > > Subject: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story
> > > Team
> > >
> > >   - There has been some recent discussion around what it means to
> > > be a
> > >   Working Group vs Team, with one of the guiding principles
> > > highlighted being
> > >   that Working Groups should be short-lived in nature, whereas
> > > Teams can
> > >   exist in perpetuity
> > >   - Given our role as the reviewers of the
> > >   openstack/openstack-user-stories repository[1], I believe we
> > > should exist
> > >   in perpetuity
> > >   - The term "Product" has implied a number of things that I think
> > > we no
> > >   longer intend:
> > >      - That our membership is made exclusively Product managers
> > >      - That it is our role to treat OpenStack like a "product"
> > >      - That we serve only those organizations who build products
> > > around
> > >      OpenStack
> > >
> > > For these reasons I'd like to propose that we change our name to
> > > the User Story team. I thought I would start the discussion here
> > > and ask that we add it as an agenda item for next week's
> > > meeting[2].
> > >
> > > Thoughts? High-fives? Boos?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kenny Johnston | irc:kencjohnston | @kencjohnston [1]
> > > https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories
> > > [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team
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