Open Stack

I agree with most that we should stay with Product (or any other broader term) at a strategic level. 

I have no preferences on either WG or Team. 
It is the deliverables/value that matters most. :-)

Thanks!
Leong.

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Chadwick [mailto:PChadwick at suse.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:08 PM
To: Barrett, Carol L <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>; lauren at openstack.org
Cc: product-wg at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story Team

Kenny - Interesting thread! I am equally ok with either Working Group or Team, but would prefer to stay with Product in the name. When we initially started this it was to help OpenStack go from a somewhat loose collection of projects to something that was more easily consumed. While the goal is not really to make a product per se, it was at least intended to identify the areas that were most in the way of wider deployment. Which is of course the focus of product management.

In any event, as long as we can accurately reflect the needs of the ultimate consumers of OpenStack, I think that we can continue to add value.

Pete

On Tue, 2016-12-06 at 22:21 +0000, Carol L Barrett wrote:
> Thanks
> Carol
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lauren Sell [mailto:lauren at openstack.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 2:17 PM
> To: Barrett, Carol L <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>
> Cc: Kenny Johnston <kenny at kencjohnston.com>; 
> product-wg at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story 
> Team
> 
> My email just crossed paths with yours, Carol :)
> 
> I don’t think the term Product scares many people away and it’s a 
> known entity at this point. If you think a name change is warranted, I 
> like the broader terms you propose...
> 
> 
> > On Dec 6, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Barrett, Carol L < 
> > carol.l.barrett at intel.com> wrote:
> > 
> > HI Kenny - Where did you find the definition of WG vs Team? I 
> > thought it was the other way around (teams = short term; WG = long 
> > term).
> > 
> > I think there are pros & cons to changing names. One of the notables 
> > being name recognition.
> > 
> > That said, I think this is a good discussion for us to have. If we 
> > are going to change from Product, then some of the things that come 
> > to mind are: Market Requirements  or Planning.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > Carol
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kenny Johnston [mailto:kenny at kencjohnston.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:57 AM
> > To: product-wg at lists.openstack.org
> > Subject: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story 
> > Team
> > 
> >   - There has been some recent discussion around what it means to be 
> > a
> >   Working Group vs Team, with one of the guiding principles 
> > highlighted being
> >   that Working Groups should be short-lived in nature, whereas Teams 
> > can
> >   exist in perpetuity
> >   - Given our role as the reviewers of the
> >   openstack/openstack-user-stories repository[1], I believe we 
> > should exist
> >   in perpetuity
> >   - The term "Product" has implied a number of things that I think 
> > we no
> >   longer intend:
> >      - That our membership is made exclusively Product managers
> >      - That it is our role to treat OpenStack like a "product"
> >      - That we serve only those organizations who build products 
> > around
> >      OpenStack
> > 
> > For these reasons I'd like to propose that we change our name to the 
> > User Story team. I thought I would start the discussion here and ask 
> > that we add it as an agenda item for next week's meeting[2].
> > 
> > Thoughts? High-fives? Boos?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > --
> > Kenny Johnston | irc:kencjohnston | @kencjohnston [1] 
> > https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories
> > [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team
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