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Hi Kyle,

Good suggestions and, I agree, the information currently in the deck is probably already outdated a bit.  The information was collected before the PTL elections and certainly before the design summit.

It will be good for us to understand where the deltas occur as well since a lot of the longer term information was more vision oriented than actual blueprint/spec oriented.

The focus on the roadmap data to date has been on asking whether the information is valuable and whether the format is correct.  I don't believe this version of the roadmap will be published on OpenStack.org since it was our first attempt and wasn't intended to be published beyond the presentation and etherpad.  

We do have to figure out how to publish this information so that it is accessible by end-users/operators with making sure the developer community doesn't feel like the information misrepresents their plans.  The response from the community showed a need for it.

Would it be okay to ask you to review/advise our plans on this front once we are ready to revisit the roadmap publication topic?

Thanks,
Shamail 



> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Kyle Mestery <mestery at mestery.com> wrote:
> 
> Has the team done a post-mortem to understand how accurate the current roadmap is? Now I'm even more concerned this is being published somewhere where it will be referenced without being up to date. I can already tell you the Neutron information is quite stale. It's possible we're the most mismanaged project out there (or maybe not), but my money says the others are stale as well. If this information is going to be displayed publicly and referenced by many, I think it needs to be combed over a bit more. In addition, it would be good for someone on this list to email openstack-dev and indicate this as well. I didn't realize how widespread this 6 month old roadmap info was going to be shared, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kyle
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Shamail <itzshamail at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kyle,
>> 
>> I was just about to craft a response as well....
>> 
>> We will be refreshing the roadmaps, timing/cadence for regular updates is TBD.
>> We will also be working with the Foundation to publish the roadmap in an accessible place.
>> 
>> The priority between now and next summit is on refining the workflow for gathering and socializing requirements.
>> 
>> It's a good point though.  We do need to refresh the information we've collected so far...
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Shamail
>> 
>> > On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Barrett, Carol L <carol.l.barrett at intel.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Kyle – Attached is the deck that we used for the Summit, which we reviewed with the PTLs in the cross-project meeting on May 12th.  We haven’t created an update yet, but will as the dust settles from the design summit. We do have a process in development (also slides attached from the summit talks):
>> > - to provide info into the design summits
>> > - update roadmaps post- design summits
>> > - update roadmaps based upon released projects
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Carol
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Kyle Mestery [mailto:mestery at mestery.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:05 PM
>> > To: Haselmaier, James
>> > Cc: Barrett, Carol L; product-wg at lists.openstack.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Product] [OpenStack][Product Work Group]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Haselmaier, James <James.Haselmaier at emc.com<mailto:James.Haselmaier at emc.com>> wrote:
>> > My $.02:  I think we need to continuously remind people of the message
>> > that, while we¹re trying to bring the voice of customers/operators into
>> > the planning process, we are NOT looking to implement any sort of effort
>> > to control or dictate development decisions or final decisions as to what
>> > makes it into the software or not.  That governance/voting/PTL process
>> > that has existed and is in place today is not being changed.  And that the
>> > Product WG¹s expectation is that we will work very closely with the
>> > project teams to ensure this input is well understood.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >
>> > These are all valid and good points Jim. I'm also wondering if the Product group has updated their "Roadmap" slides since the last time they've spoken to the PTLs. That was 6 months ago, which is a veritable lifetime in OpenStack. I'd hate for outdated information to be relayed through these types of channels. Along these lines, does the product group have a plan to keep the roadmap information updated and current?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Kyle
>> >
>> >> On 6/1/15, 12:28 PM, "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com<mailto:carol.l.barrett at intel.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Team - I am going to participate in a podcast by NextCast tomorrow. My
>> >> focus will be talking about the Product Work Group and bringing the voice
>> >> of customers/operators into OpenStack planning. I'm planning to use the
>> >> slide decks from the Summit - both the roadmap as well as the planning
>> >> process. If you have any thoughts on points for me to emphasize or avoid,
>> >> would appreciate if you would send along.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the info on the podcast:
>> >> http://www.nextcast.net/openstackpod-events/carol-barrett-data-center-plan
>> >> ning-at-intel-on-ospod
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Carol
>> >>
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