Open Stack

Hi,

I have got the same feelings as Tudor's. To most of engineers
deploying OpenStack, they don't need to know the details inside. As
Remo mentioned, I thought it was helpful if I followed the manual
steps and I would learn some details about OpenStack. But the truth
is, most of my time wasted on troubleshooting useless issues which
would not contribute my knowledge of OpenStack.

>From my frustrating experiences, I would say this is not good for the
whole ecosystem. The manual on OpenStack website should point out that
anyone who wants to follow the manual would feel disappointed and have
to repeat the deployment processes for many times, and if you are the
lucky dog, you will have a working environment for a while in less
than 6 months.

When I used Fuel to deploy a workable lab in 2 hours, it is really
amazing. What is making me feel surprised is that it seems not all of
the people in this community know about Fuel is so amazing tool to
help you out from the tough process. I would suggest Mirantis enhance
its sales team to do that :)

Good luck!

Cheers,
Hao

On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:21 PM, tudor <tudor at tudorholton.com> wrote:
> Could you elaborate on your thinking here, Remo?   I've had the opposite
> experience.  I found Devstack frustrating because it presumes a single-node
> installation, and I'd lose all my settings every time I reran the script,
> and there's still a high degree of knowledge of the components if you want
> to go further.  As the name suggests, it's really aimed at the developers of
> OpenStack and not a "trial-run" or "test" installation.
>
> RDO doesn't offer things like High Availability and won't run on
> non-RedHat/CentOS/Fedora nodes.  (I don't know about Ceph offerings.)
>
> After months of trying and retrying I stumbled upon Mirantis and had it
> running inside VirtualBox in minutes with Ubuntu nodes!   I then did a
> bare-metal installation and I was more easily able to distinguish what was
> my own hardware/network issues, and what were gaps in my OpenStack
> knowledge.  Fuel gave me an 'Ahah!' moment with Neutron and networking which
> was previously hidden in installation detail.  "Choices" that aren't very
> clear in the OS documentation as to their benefits or hindrances became
> simple radio buttons and check boxes which I could play with and try out.  I
> can also have Fuel verify and recheck my settings (something which I'd
> started writing my own scripts for, but was glad to scrap as they were
> becoming complex and cumbersome.)
>
> I can't speak highly enough of Mirantis (and currently have a 4.0
> installation running as of this morning).  My only complaint is that they
> require registration for download, which is a little strange for an "open"
> product.   (But then a number of companies are trying different things to
> monetise their development, and that's a whole different discussion.)
>
> I'm interested to hear your thinking.
>
> Cheers,
> Tudor.
>
>
>
> On 2013-12-31 11:08, Remo Mattei wrote:
>
> I would not use fuel yet I would suggest to check rdo and devstack then when
> you have an understanding you could use fuel
>
> Remo
>
> Inviato da iPhone ()
>
> Il giorno Dec 30, 2013, alle ore 14:20, Hao Wang <hao.1.wang at gmail.com> ha
> scritto: I agree with Martinx even though I have not tried 4.0 but the
> previous version impressed me a lot comparing RDO and manual processes.
> Regards, Howard On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ
> <thiagocmartinsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I tried Mirantis Fuel 4.0 yesterday! Seems to be very great!!
>
> On 30 December 2013 19:42, Kaushal Shriyan <kaushalshriyan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Remo Mattei <remo at mattei.org> wrote: You
> should look at devstack and packstack Openstack.rdo.com has a nice install
> guide. Remo
>
> Hi Remo, Are you referring to the below URL's http://devstack.org/
> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Packstack
> http://openstack.redhat.com/Main_Page Please correct me if i am on the wrong
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