[Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

Martin Paulo martin.paulo at gmail.com
Tue Feb 14 23:34:29 UTC 2012 

ServerGroup gets my vote at the moment: it's a term that has an
overloaded meaning (as far as I know)

Martin

On 15 February 2012 06:25, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com> wrote:
> -1 on shard b/c of database terminology. -1 on cluster because of HPC and
> database terminology.
>
> Zone was originally used because it is general -- referring to merely a
> collection of hosts or other zones and not having a geographic connotation
> like Region does.
>
> Other possibilities:
>
> * Container (not recommended, as it is overloaded with Solaris or Linux
> container virtualization)
> * ServerGroup
> * HostGroup
> * Group
> * Collection
>
> If Zone isn't used, I suppose I would prefer ServerGroup
>
> -jay
>
>
> On 02/13/2012 08:45 PM, Yun Mao wrote:
>>
>> agreed..
>>
>> -1 on shard, +1 on cluster
>>
>> Yun
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Martin Paulo<martin.paulo at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Please not 'shards'
>>> Sharding as a concept is so intertwined with databases IMHO that it
>>> will serve to confuse even more. Why not 'cluster'?
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On 13 February 2012 09:50, Chris Behrens<cbehrens at codestud.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I'm late.  Really getting down to the wire here. :)
>>>>
>>>> I've thrown up a version here: https://review.openstack.org/#change,4062
>>>>
>>>> I've not functionally tested it yet, but there's really good test
>>>> coverage for the zones service itself.   I also have added a
>>>> test_compute_zones which tests that all of the compute tests pass while
>>>> using the new ComputeZonesAPI class.
>>>>
>>>> There's a couple bugs I note in the review and then I think I'm missing
>>>> pushing some instance updates to the top in libvirt code.  And missing an
>>>> update for instance deletes in the compute manager.  Going to hit those up
>>>> today and finish this off.
>>>>
>>>> One other comment:  It's been suggested we not call this stuff 'Zones'
>>>> anymore.  It gets confused with availability zones and so forth.  Since this
>>>> is really a way to shard nova, it has been suggested to call this 'Shards'.
>>>> :)   Not sure I dig that name completely, although it makes sense.
>>>>  Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> - Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Leandro Reox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Awesome Chrisssss !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lean
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Alejandro
>>>>> Comisario<alejandro.comisario at mercadolibre.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Niceee !!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alejandro.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/09/2012 02:02 PM, Chris Behrens wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should be pushing something up by end of day...  Even if it's not
>>>>>> granted an FFE, I'll have a need to keep my branch updated and working, so I
>>>>>> should at least always have a branch pushed up to a github account somewhere
>>>>>> until F1 opens up.  So, I guess worst case... there'll be a branch somewhere
>>>>>> for you to play with. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Tom Fifield wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just raising another deployment waiting on this new Zone
>>>>>>> implementation - we currently have 2000 cores sitting idle in another
>>>>>>> datacentre that we can use "better" if this is done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can we help? ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/08/2012 07:30 PM, Ziad Sawalha wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We were working on providing the necessary functionality in Keystone
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> stopped when we heard of the alternative solution. We could resume
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> conversation about what is needed on the Keystone side and implement
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Z
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Sandy Walsh<
>>>>>>>> sandy.walsh at RACKSPACE.COM
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sandy.walsh at RACKSPACE.COM>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:49:58 +0000
>>>>>>>> To: Joshua McKenty<
>>>>>>>> joshua at pistoncloud.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:joshua at pistoncloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> , Vishvananda Ishaya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> vishvananda at gmail.com<mailto:vishvananda at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "
>>>>>>>> openstack at lists.launchpad.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:openstack at lists.launchpad.net>"<openstack at lists.launchpad.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:openstack at lists.launchpad.net>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected
>>>>>>>> timing for the replacement. From a deployers side, nothing would
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> change, just some configuration options ... but a replacement should
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure we could get it working pretty easily. The Keystone
>>>>>>>> integration
>>>>>>>> was the biggest pita.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can keep this branch fresh with trunk for when we're ready to pull
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> trigger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -S
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> *From:* Joshua McKenty [
>>>>>>>> joshua at pistoncloud.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:joshua at pistoncloud.com>
>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:45 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Vishvananda Ishaya
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Sandy Walsh;
>>>>>>>> openstack at lists.launchpad.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:openstack at lists.launchpad.net>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 to Vish's points. I know there are some folks coming online in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Folsom timeline that can help out with the new stuff, but this feels
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bit like going backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Joshua McKenty, CEO
>>>>>>>> Piston Cloud Computing, Inc.
>>>>>>>> w: (650) 24-CLOUD
>>>>>>>> m: (650) 283-6846
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.pistoncloud.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Oh, Westley, we'll never survive!"
>>>>>>>> "Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am all for pulling this out, but I'm a bit concerned with the
>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>> that we have nothing to replace it with. There are some groups
>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> trying to use it. MercadoLibre is trying to use it for example. I
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> you guys are trying to replace this with something better, but it
>>>>>>>>> would be nice not to break people for 7+ months
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I guess I have some questions:
>>>>>>>>> 1.a) is the current implementation completely broken?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1.b) if yes, is it fixable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) If we do remove this, what can we tell people that need
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> like zones between now and the Folsom release?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vish
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Sandy Walsh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As part of the new (and optional) Zones code coming down the pipe,
>>>>>>>>>> part of this is to remove the old Zones implementation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More info in the merge prop:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://review.openstack.org/#change,3629
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, can I? can I? Huh?
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