[Openstack] Nova Subteam Changes

Vishvananda Ishaya vishvananda at gmail.com
Fri Dec 9 23:31:54 UTC 2011


Your concerns are perfectly reasonable. We will try to come up with a plan for communication that doesn't involve more meetings.  I'm already in way too many meetings as it is.  We will do Monday without you and take your concerns into account for our plans.

Everyone Else:

The simple agenda for the first (and only?) meeting is as follows: 
Discuss the best possible means for communicating with each other with the following goals:
 * Efficiently managing and targeting blueprints
 * Addressing shared blueprints and work across teams
 * Ensuring we aren't duplicating work
 * Ensuring we aren't blocking each other
 * Staying abreast of decisions made by teams
 * Staying aligned with the release schedule


On Dec 9, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Soren Hansen wrote:

> 2011/12/9 Paul Voccio <paul.voccio at rackspace.com>:
>> I think the benefits of an "all hands" irc/irl meeting is to reduce
>> the overall amount of time needed to drive to a decision. I can
>> usually do this in a 30 minute meeting if I have the relevant people
>> and have a handful of items that need to be decided upon. Having to
>> have that same conversation with people usually takes a few days as
>> email is not usually treated as a real-time medium.
> Ok, let's assume that a decision will always be reached if a topic is on
> the agenda for a meeting. Let's also assume that points for discussion
> can pop up at any given time throughout the week. (For the record, I
> only believe that one of these assumptions is sound, but meh.) As such,
> with a weekly meeting, it can take anywhere between 0 and 168 hours (or
> an average of 84 hours) to reach a decision.  I honestly don't see how
> that's better than a predictable few days.
> This project is bigger than your office. You simply can't expect to "have
> all the relevant people". Ever. How much Japanese attendance do we have
> at our meetings?  It's exceedingly frustrating that this part of my
> objection is completely ignored: It will cost me an evening and will be
> in the middle of the night for Japan.  You guys can spend each other's
> *working hours* on meetings all day long for all I care.  This is
> (supposed to be) my spare time. We put *every* single meeting in this
> project in US business hours, *every* single meeting *outside* European
> and Japanese business hours, and *every* single design summit in the US
> and we're surprised there's a strong US bias?  Seriously?
> Also, I stand by my other arguments against synchronous meetings and for
> e-mail discussions:
>>> Compared to IRC meetings:
>>> * No need for everyone to be in the same place at the same time.
>>> * No need for everyone to sit through a meeting where only a fraction
>>>   of the topics are relevant to them.
>>> * Mailing list archives makes it simple to look up past discussions.
>>> * Much looser time limits. If I need to test a hypothesis before I make
>>>   a statement, I can do that on my own time. That's very hard to do
>>>   during a synchronous meeting.
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