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Thanks Andy ... that answers many of our questions.

I haven't had an opportunity to look at Easy API yet, but I don't think there is any reason to break compatibility with the RS/OS API. Here's how I see the flow ('Client' is the client-side command line tool):

1. Client determines Verb of Interest from command line ('create-instance', 'pause', 'add-ip', etc)
2. Client polls the server for WADL/JSON to get that Verb's expected parameter list, URL template and Posting Method.
3. Client dynamically builds gflag/argparse configuration based on parameter list
4. Remaining cmdline arguments are parsed and data types checked based by argparse
5. The Verb's URL template is populated with arguments and submitted via Posting Method (POST, GET, etc)
6. Results obtained ... Profit

Since the URL template came from the server as well as the Posting method it should work fine with RS API. Even the little idiosyncratic quirks can be handled.

If this is the approach easy-api is taking ... sounds like a great replacement for python-cloudservers. Although I'm not convinced introspective approaches won't require hacky tweaks, thus defeating the effort.

Certainly adding Yet Another API doesn't seem like a good idea given the business advantages of maintaining compatibility with existing clients/partners. Extending the current API offers a smoother migration path for all.

I'm sure I'm missing something or just crazy in these assumptions.

Look forward to your feedback ... in the meanwhile I'll look at easy-api.

Cheers,
Sandy



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From: Andy Smith [andyster at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:08 PM
To: Matt Dietz
Cc: Jesse Andrews; termie; Sandy Walsh; openstack at lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: Easy API

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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Andy Smith <andyster at gmail.com<mailto:andyster at gmail.com>> wrote:
Heya Matt,

I was intending on writing an email to the mailing list about it (so I'll just CC it), was just going over tone with the Anso team first since I tend to come off a bit antagonistic.

The short summary is that we wanted to return "hackability" to the project, as developers the move towards API compatibility has slowly removed most of the tools we had in place to test out new features as they were being worked on, so in that way the reflection api, self-registration of services, command-line tool and general simplicity (you can explain how everything works in just a few sentences) are a solution.

Part of that hackability also meant hackability for third-parties, we wanted developers to be able to add functionality to Nova without having to go through the Nova review process and even be able package that functionality separately, this is an obvious  goal for any large entity using openstack internally where they have additional changes to make to customize their deployment.

Easy API makes up a good basis for extensibility of the project over time.

The existing APIs are still necessary to serve their purpose which is translating the intents defined by existing specifications/implementations to tasks that make sense for Nova, and should it be desirable those interfaces can easily be built on top of and decoupled (due to the delegated auth pattern) from the Easy API, the EasyCloudTestCase gives a decent example of how such a thing could be done.

In my personal opinion I see the two existing API implementations as 'compatibility' APIs where as Easy API is a direct API and much easier to understand because of it.

The relevant blueprint (read the spec, obvs): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/easy-api

--andy

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Matt Dietz <matt.dietz at rackspace.com<mailto:matt.dietz at rackspace.com>> wrote:
Hey guys,

I was wondering if you could answer a few questions? I get the argument that EC2 and eucatools suck, and that the OS API is incomplete/unstable. What prompted you starting down the Easy API path? Subsequently, what issues are you hoping to solve with it? From what I can see, it's the WADL-like/reflection interface that seems to be the driving force. Is this correct?
I'm curious mostly because a lot of effort has been expended with the goal of making the existing OS API the canonical one. I'm fine with a better effort, but I've been operating in accordance with the internal goal of making it work 100% like the Rackspace API so all existing bindings will "just work" if someone cares to try out Openstack. Obviously we can't continue working on parallel paths because we'll just end up fracturing the  API user-base until we can decide which API is going to stick.
I'd like to get the discussion started, and I'll be glad to take it to the blueprint (since I see you made one as of 18 hours ago) or IRC.

Thanks,

Matt


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