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My preference is either Sunday or sometime separate for the following
reasons.

As a member of the TC that's deeply involved in vertical efforts (Nova),
this meeting would come at a point where I loose half a day of that team
interaction. Part of the point of the PTG was to provide that dedicated
team time without other commitments. Especially as I was not able to be
in Barcelona.

Secondly, even if that wasn't a concern, we're talking about a meeting
that we think is critical, being put at the end of 5 days of intense
design conversation. I remember exactly how jelly my brain gets at the
end of these things. That seems like a very poor time to try to have a
new in depth serious conversation about hard issues.

Sunday has the advantage of approaching this non exhausted. It is an
extra day on the ground, but I think that Friday is just going to feel
cramped and rushed and exhausted, especially for those of us that are
deep in vertical teams. Which seems to be an important voice that we'd
want in these conversations.

	-Sean

On 12/14/2016 06:19 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Following up on the open discussion at the meeting yesterday...
> 
> The Board is proposing that we have a joint meeting on the Friday
> afternoon of the PTG week.
> 
> Since most teams will be done by then (or ramping down), I think we can
> get enough TC members to participate. It is OK if you prefer to
> prioritize the Friday afternoon PTG activities: we can make sure we
> discuss the agenda in-person before the meeting, so that our delegation
> at the meeting can reflect your position accurately.
> 
> Some TC members noted that the BoD+TC meeting at the Summit tended to be
> deserted by Board members. I think the odds of that happening at the PTG
> joint meeting are reduced (since board members explicitly travel to the
> event to attend that precise day), but I'll make sure to convey that
> back to the Board chair. They can't expect us to prioritize this meeting
> up if they are routinely prioritizing it down.
> 
> During the discussion yesterday, most people said Friday afternoon could
> work for them. We also considered pushing back on the date proposed by
> the Board and:
> 
> 1/ Propose Sunday afternoon instead
> Personally I'm not a big fan of that solution. One of the goals of the
> event split is to reduce the craziness of the 6-day-long summit week...
> Re-creating the same madness around the PTG sounds very counterproductive.
> 
> 2/ Propose a virtual meeting instead
> The Board wanted to make progress on hard discussions around strategy
> (the "OpenStack Futures" discussion for those following recent Board
> meetings), and I'm not sure we can make any progress on such complex
> discussions with only two face-to-face meetings in 2017.
> 
> 3/ Propose a separate meeting instead
> If we consider that the issues to be discussed are so complex and
> critical, half-a-day of meeting at the end of a work week with some
> priority conflicts might not be the best solution anyway. A specific
> 2-day workshop (around an OpenStack Day or Ops meetup somewhere ?) might
> prove more productive. The trick being to organize that in the near future.
> 
> The question I have is: are we good with the proposed date (Friday
> afternoon), or do we want to push back against the date proposed by the
> Board and suggest an alternate proposal (which?)
> 
> Personally I'm fine with a joint meeting on the Friday afternoon at
> *that* PTG (I don't really want it to become a tradition), *but* would
> like to suggest a separate meeting for the future (like between Boston
> and the 2nd PTG).
> 
> Please let me know your position ASAP, since I need to get back to Alan
> this week.
> 


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Sean Dague
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