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How about we ask all foundation members to vote. We could send a unique link to each, I believe.

I like the idea of a broader set of input, including from users who may not be atcs, on what we name the thing they'll be using.  A small but fun way to participate. 

On Dec 12, 2013 10:51 AM, Monty Taylor <mordred at inaugust.com> wrote:
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> On 12/12/2013 04:40 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: 
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> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org 
> > <mailto:thierry at openstack.org>> wrote: 
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> >     Hi fellow members of the TC, 
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> >     We now have a set of 10 potential names for the J release [1], and need 
> >     to pick the best method to select the winner. Historically we held a 
> >     Launchpad poll (~openstack group) over a refined set of 4-5 options. The 
> >     problem is, we don't really use the Launchpad ~openstack group anymore 
> >     (used to be the subscribers to the openstack ML) and the group was 
> >     therefore closed... so that's no longer the "less worse" option. 
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> >     A few proposed solutions: 
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> >     1. "Public" CIVS vote, accessible to everyone with the link 
> >     Easy to set up, but vote is limited to one per IP address, which can 
> >     block legitimate voters while encouraging ballot stuffing. 
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> >     2a. Private CIVS vote, link sent to openstack-dev subscribers 
> >     A bit painful to set up (need to extract the 2926 subscribers emails, 
> >     then feed them to CIVS by batches of less than 1000), but at least it's 
> >     not gameable. One difference is that receiving a private vote email will 
> >     result in more participation than the only-announced-on-ML Launchpad 
> >     poll. 
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> >     2b. Private CIVS vote, link sent to openstack list subscribers 
> >     More painful to set up (8573 members), and CIVS advises against being 
> >     used to run above "a couple thousands voters". That said it's probably 
> >     the closest to the people who voted in the past (general list). 
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> >     3. Launchpad poll over ~openstack 
> >     The OpenStack group is still there, so technically we could still refine 
> >     the list to 4-5 candidates and set up a poll there. It's not as good as 
> >     Condorcet though, and would be more like "the people who used to vote in 
> >     previous names" than "the people who should vote now". 
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> >     4a. Screw popular voting, let's do a TC members condorcet 
> >     Easy option. Might be seen as TC power landgrab, and it was funny to let 
> >     the "people" decide. 
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> >     4b. Screw voting, let's pick Jekyll and be done with it 
> >     A variant of the previous option in case of consensus. 
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> >     I'm open to other suggestions :) 
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> > It seems like part of the problem is with the tooling. Do we need this 
> > vote to be as secure as PTL or TC elections? Would a tool like survey 
> > monkey be easier to work with for this case? 
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> I like public CIVS poll - option 1. I don't think this needs to be super 
> secure - and although I think people will vote, I don't think people 
> will care _enough_ to ballot stuff. 
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> That said, if that freaks people out, what about ATC CIVS poll? We have 
> scripts already to make those lists. Everyone seems to understand that 
> the ATCs are the ones with voting rights on things over here in 
> technical land. 
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> >     [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNaming 
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> >     -- 
> >     Thierry Carrez (ttx) 
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