[Openstack-sigs] [OpenStack-I18n] Edge Computing Whitepaper Translation

Remo Mattei remo at rm.ht
Tue May 29 16:12:15 UTC 2018


Can I add why are we not considering asciidoc? The conversion to PDF, HTML and ebook will be super easy. 

Just wonder since the RST looks and feels more like markup. 

Thanks 

> On May 29, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Akihiro,
> 
> Looks so amazing! Thanks a lot for your lots of progress on translated edge computing white paper publication
> with RST-based method, which is much preferred from I18n team, Docs team, and all upstream projects.
> 
> In my honest opinion, using *one* unified tool in all OpenStack area including official projects and publication
> would be best, but more discussion and agreement on multiple different teams (+ Foundation) would be needed I think.
> When I attended to a Forum on ops-guide during Summit last week, I found that ops-guide would want to convert from Wiki-based format to RST-based format.
> It would be pretty nice if we all use RST-based documents to many places, but more things (e.g., current implementation,
> maintenance, ...) need to be considered I think.
> 
> Now I would like to ask more opinions on:
> 
> - @amotoki: How long does it take to convert original text file + texts on a PDF file to RST-based formats?
>                         Did you do it manually and would it be also rather easy for other members such as me or Foundation staff?
> 
> - @Foundation: Is it okay for translated white papers to publish with RST-based tools as Akihiro did, since RST-based tools
>                              are much easier to publish translated documents and sync translated resources (po files)?
> 
> - @Foundation: OpenStack documents use CC BY 3.0. Would it be fine for translated white papers to use similar CC
>                             rather than CC BY-ND 4.0, for original edge computing white paper document or cause intellectual issues?
> 
> - All (including translators): For design stuff, just making use of openstackdocstheme would be pretty fine?
>         For example, I forked from Akihiro's github repo, and published using openstackdocstheme
>         to https://ianychoi.github.io/edge-computing-whitepaper/ <https://ianychoi.github.io/edge-computing-whitepaper/>
>         (e.g., https://ianychoi.github.io/edge-computing-whitepaper/ja/ <https://ianychoi.github.io/edge-computing-whitepaper/ja/> ).
> 
> 
> With many thanks,
> 
> /Ian
> 
> 
> Akihiro Motoki wrote on 5/29/2018 11:37 PM:
>> Hi Ildiko and all,
>> 
>> I am happy to hear that HTML-based publishing is now on the table :)
>> I am synced with Ian and Frank on this topic, though I failed to join the conversation at Vancouver.
>> RST based process is used much in the community and translation publishinng of project docs which Ian and us are working on will make the continuous publishing easier.
>> I am happy to help setting up a new doc infrastructure and/or publishing translations.
>> 
>> Regarding the license, CC BY-ND license turned out a bit too strict in our collaborative works when I checked the current one.
>> Hopefully we can get a good conclusion for further similar cases.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Akihiro
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2018年5月29日(火) 23:19 Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko.vancsa at gmail.com <mailto:ildiko.vancsa at gmail.com> <mailto:ildiko.vancsa at gmail.com <mailto:ildiko.vancsa at gmail.com>>>:
>> 
>>    Hi Akihiro and All,
>> 
>>    Thank you for your efforts on helping with publishing the white
>>    paper in additional languages.
>> 
>>    I talked to Ian and Frank last week about this topic and the
>>    conundrum on the Foundation side whether or not to do the print
>>    version for the translations as that is what slows down the
>>    process a lot due to the design work it requires.
>> 
>>    We got to the conclusion with our team from the Foundation (cc’ed
>>    Allison, Jimmy and Wes) to do HTML-based publishing to reduce this
>>    overhead. We need to clarify now on the process and as Jeremy
>>    indicated the licensing as well.
>> 
>>    Thanks,
>>    Ildikó
>> 
>> 
>>    > On 2018. May 29., at 15:50, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org <mailto:fungi at yuggoth.org>
>>    <mailto:fungi at yuggoth.org <mailto:fungi at yuggoth.org>>> wrote:
>>    >
>>    > On 2018-05-29 18:50:23 +0900 (+0900), Akihiro Motoki wrote:
>>    > [...]
>>    >> NOTE: Anyway I need to grant it from the foundation because CC
>>    >> Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International license does not allow
>>    >> me to share translations without permission. I updated this files
>>    >> only for discussion and will close this soon.
>>    > [...]
>>    >
>>    > It seems like this is a really poor choice of license as it's
>>    > impairing open collaboration. Even Creative Commons suggests that
>>    > the CC BY-ND license is unsuitable for free cultural works:
>>    >
>>    > https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/freeworks/
>>    >
>>    > We should see about getting this changed to CC BY like is used for
>>    > other collaborative works produced by our community.
>>    > --
>>    > Jeremy Stanley
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