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2018-03-18 22:27 GMT+09:00 Zhipeng Huang <zhipengh512 at gmail.com>:
> Yes I've also noticed the slack usage in Japan dev community :) I guess my
> case is mostly my observation from China.

Perhaps I am not aware of that in Japan, although I believe I know
most (at least many) of OpenStack contributors from Japan.

> In any case , I think the point is every community in a certain region
> should use the best tool they see fit, without a mandate on certain method.
> For the FC SIG itself, a irc channel should work with all the liaisons.
>
> @Akihiro BTW there are a lot of IRC bouncers you could use for the offline
> discussion capture :)

My point is not IRC bouncer itself.
My point is we need to set up IRC bouncer in addition to IRC itself if
we track discussions offline with a single tool.
Do you have any advise to solve this problem?

>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think Howard's point necessarily applies to the case of Japan.
>>
>> As Japanese community, we don't encourage to use non-IRC tools for
>> OpenStack developers.
>> Our local version of the upstream institute (training) uses a specific
>> IRC channel for example.
>> Our mailing lists of Japan users group (using google groups from
>> historical reason :p) is open to any topics including development,
>> operators, setup and so on.
>>
>> On the other hand, we use other tools: a Slack room for Japan
>> operators community and a gitter room for Japanese translators.
>> There are several reasons. One big reason is Slack is a popular
>> communication tool.
>> Another reason (which I think is more important) is such tools support
>> offline notification. These tools allows us to track discussions while
>> they are offline.
>> A standard IRC does not provide such feature. Users need to set up
>> other tools like IRC bouncer or use other IRC-based service (like
>> IRCcloud).
>> OpenStack infra provides logs of our IRC channels, but it is not handy
>> to use multiple medias for a single discussion.
>> When I prepared a gitter room for Japanese translators, I compared
>> several tools from various points (unlimited logs, unlimited number of
>> members, openness and so on) and decided to use Gitter in this case.
>> Although it might not be ideal, it is useful and convenient for
>> non-developers.
>>
>> In my understanding, the first contact SIG is mainly for developers,
>> so my above point does not necessarily apply, but I think it is one of
>> important points to support offline communication.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Akihiro
>>
>>
>> 2018-03-16 13:07 GMT+09:00 Zhipeng Huang <zhipengh512 at gmail.com>:
>> > Hi Jeremy,
>> >
>> > I think non-eng mailing-list will not be utilized as we intent it to,
>> > the
>> > same thing happens with non-eng irc channel as well. I would suggest
>> > just
>> > pick a tool that people in the specific area enjoys using, for example
>> > wechat in China, Line/Slack in Japan, etc.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 2018-03-15 08:37:35 +0800 (+0800), Zhipeng Huang wrote:
>> >> [...]
>> >> > For communciation tools, per irc  I agree converge to #openstack-dev
>> >> > is
>> >> > better than maintaining some independent channels. But also from my
>> >> > experience video conf in native lang is more effective.
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas on whether we should suggest that people who are finding
>> >> English challenging try to reach out on one of our language-specific
>> >> mailing lists for a language in which they are more fluent (and then
>> >> perhaps arrange there for a video conference with another
>> >> contributor who can help them if that's more convenient)?
>> >> --
>> >> Jeremy Stanley
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