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I don't think Howard's point necessarily applies to the case of Japan.

As Japanese community, we don't encourage to use non-IRC tools for
OpenStack developers.
Our local version of the upstream institute (training) uses a specific
IRC channel for example.
Our mailing lists of Japan users group (using google groups from
historical reason :p) is open to any topics including development,
operators, setup and so on.

On the other hand, we use other tools: a Slack room for Japan
operators community and a gitter room for Japanese translators.
There are several reasons. One big reason is Slack is a popular
communication tool.
Another reason (which I think is more important) is such tools support
offline notification. These tools allows us to track discussions while
they are offline.
A standard IRC does not provide such feature. Users need to set up
other tools like IRC bouncer or use other IRC-based service (like
IRCcloud).
OpenStack infra provides logs of our IRC channels, but it is not handy
to use multiple medias for a single discussion.
When I prepared a gitter room for Japanese translators, I compared
several tools from various points (unlimited logs, unlimited number of
members, openness and so on) and decided to use Gitter in this case.
Although it might not be ideal, it is useful and convenient for
non-developers.

In my understanding, the first contact SIG is mainly for developers,
so my above point does not necessarily apply, but I think it is one of
important points to support offline communication.

Thanks,
Akihiro


2018-03-16 13:07 GMT+09:00 Zhipeng Huang <zhipengh512 at gmail.com>:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I think non-eng mailing-list will not be utilized as we intent it to, the
> same thing happens with non-eng irc channel as well. I would suggest just
> pick a tool that people in the specific area enjoys using, for example
> wechat in China, Line/Slack in Japan, etc.
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-03-15 08:37:35 +0800 (+0800), Zhipeng Huang wrote:
>> [...]
>> > For communciation tools, per irc  I agree converge to #openstack-dev is
>> > better than maintaining some independent channels. But also from my
>> > experience video conf in native lang is more effective.
>> [...]
>>
>> Any ideas on whether we should suggest that people who are finding
>> English challenging try to reach out on one of our language-specific
>> mailing lists for a language in which they are more fluent (and then
>> perhaps arrange there for a video conference with another
>> contributor who can help them if that's more convenient)?
>> --
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