[Openstack-operators] [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [tc]Global Reachout Proposal

Zhipeng Huang zhipengh512 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 08:39:43 UTC 2018

Thanks Anita, will definitely do as you kindly suggested :)

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 12:04 PM Anita Kuno <anteaya at anteaya.info> wrote:

> On 2018-09-18 08:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > On 2018-09-18 11:26:57 +0900 (+0900), Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
> > [...]
> >> I can understand that IRC cannot be used in China which is very
> >> painful and mostly it is used weChat.
> > [...]
> >
> > I have yet to hear anyone provide first-hand confirmation that
> > access to Freenode's IRC servers is explicitly blocked by the
> > mainland Chinese government. There has been a lot of speculation
> > that the usual draconian corporate firewall policies (surprise, the
> > rest of the World gets to struggle with those too, it's not just a
> > problem in China) are blocking a variety of messaging protocols from
> > workplace networks and the people who encounter this can't tell the
> > difference because they're already accustomed to much of their other
> > communications being blocked at the border. I too have heard from
> > someone who's heard from someone that "IRC can't be used in China"
> > but the concrete reasons why continue to be missing from these
> > discussions.
> >
> I'll reply to this email arbitrarily in order to comply with Zhipeng
> Huang's wishes that the conversation concerned with understanding the
> actual obstacles to communication takes place on the mailing list. I do
> hope I am posting to the correct thread.
> In response to part of your comment on the patch at
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602697/ which you posted about 5 hours
> ago you said "@Anita you are absolutely right it is only me stuck my
> head out speaks itself the problem I stated in the patch. Many of the
> community tools that we are comfortable with are not that accessible to
> a broader ecosystem. And please assured that I meant I refer the patch
> to the Chinese community, as Leong also did on the ML, to try to bring
> them over to join the convo." and I would like to reply.
> I would like to say that I am honoured by your generosity. Thank you.
> Now, when the Chinese community consumes the patch, as well as the
> conversation in the comments, please encourage folks to ask for
> clarification if any descriptions or phrases don't make sense to them.
> One of the best ways of ensuring clear communication is to start off
> slowly and take the time to ask what the other side means. It can seem
> tedious and a waste of time, but I have found it to be very educational
> and helpful in understanding how the other person perceives the
> situation. It also helps me to understand how I am creating obstacles in
> ways that I talk.
> Taking time to clarify helps me to adjust how I am speaking so that my
> meaning is more likely to be understood by the group to which I am
> trying to offer my perspective. I do appreciate that many people are
> trying to avoid embarrassment, but I have never found any way to
> understand people in a culture that is not the one I group up in, other
> than embarrassing myself and working through it. Usually I find the
> group I am wanting to understand is more than willing to rescue me from
> my embarrassment and support me in my learning. In a strange way, the
> embarrassment is kind of helpful in order to create understanding
> between myself and those people I am trying to understand.
> Thank you, Anita
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