[Openstack-operators] [openstack-dev] [openstack-operators][cinder] max_concurrent_builds in Cinder

Chris Friesen chris.friesen at windriver.com
Tue May 24 15:20:00 UTC 2016

On 05/23/2016 08:46 PM, John Griffith wrote:
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Ivan Kolodyazhny <e0ne at e0ne.info
> <mailto:e0ne at e0ne.info>> wrote:
>     Hi developers and operators,
>     I would like to get any feedback from you about my idea before I'll start
>     work on spec.
>     In Nova, we've got max_concurrent_builds option [1] to set 'Maximum number
>     of instance builds to run concurrently' per each compute. There is no
>     equivalent Cinder.
>     Why do we need it for Cinder? IMO, it could help us to address following issues:
>       * Creation of N volumes at the same time increases a lot of resource usage
>         by cinder-volume service. Image caching feature [2] could help us a bit
>         in case when we create volume form image. But we still have to upload N
>         images to the volumes backend at the same time.
>       * Deletion on N volumes at parallel. Usually, it's not very hard task for
>         Cinder, but if you have to delete 100+ volumes at once, you can fit
>         different issues with DB connections, CPU and memory usages. In case of
>         LVM, it also could use 'dd' command to cleanup volumes.
>       * It will be some kind of load balancing in HA mode: if cinder-volume
>         process is busy with current operations, it will not catch message from
>         RabbitMQ and other cinder-volume service will do it.
>       *  From users perspective, it seems that better way is to create/delete N
>         volumes a bit slower than fail after X volumes were created/deleted.
>     [1]
>     https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/283da2bbb74d0a131a66703516d16698a05817c7/nova/conf/compute.py#L161-L163
>     [2]
>     https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/liberty/image-volume-cache.html
>     Regards,
>     Ivan Kolodyazhny,
>     http://blog.e0ne.info/
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> ​Just curious about a couple things:  Is this attempting to solve a problem in
> the actual Cinder Volume Service or is this trying to solve problems with
> backends that can't keep up and deliver resources under heavy load?  I get the
> copy-image to volume, that's a special case that certainly does impact Cinder
> services and the Cinder node itself, but there's already throttling going on
> there, at least in terms of IO allowed.
> Also, I'm curious... would the exiting API Rate Limit configuration achieve the
> same sort of thing you want to do here?  Granted it's not selective but maybe
> it's worth mentioning.
> If we did do something like this I would like to see it implemented as a driver
> config; but that wouldn't help if the problem lies in the Rabbit or RPC space.
> That brings me back to wondering about exactly where we want to solve problems
> and exactly which.  If delete is causing problems like you describe I'd suspect
> we have an issue in our DB code (too many calls to start with) and that we've
> got some overhead elsewhere that should be eradicated.  Delete is a super simple
> operation on the Cinder side of things (and most back ends) so I'm a bit freaked
> out thinking that it's taxing resources heavily.

For what it's worth, with the LVM backend under heavy load we've run into cases 
where cinder-volume ends up being blocked by disk I/O for over a minute.

Now this was pretty much a worst-case, with cinder volumes on a single spinning 
disk.  But the fact that IO cgroups don't work with LVM (this is a linux kernel 
limitation) means that it's difficult to ensure that the cinder process doesn't 
block indefinitely on disk IO.


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